For years now, Marty Rathbun has been hiding behind a facade of being a “Scientologist.” The linchpin of this pretense is his assertion that he understands and employs Scientology Technology, and that his homey, shortcut versions of it are the way it was originally intended. The fact is that he works hard to get people to look the other way as he delivers his “counseling” and cannot stand the light of day on his technical activities. (He knows better than anyone just how squirrely he truly is and tries to erase all tracks of what he actually does.)
The falsity of this pretense – obvious to those who practice real Scientology and gain by its standard application – has been proven to even casual onlookers by Rathbun’s collusion with and validation of characters who openly and knowingly attack Scientology Tech itself – Beghe, Caberta, Ortega, Bunker, et al.
The falsity is further proven by the fact that he only delivers to others like him who are dedicated to making Scientology wrong for their own inability to make case gain.
Rathbun now feels that he has moved out of the “ethics” phase and into the “tech” phase of his twisted little operation. We’ve recently seen him slip his real feelings about word clearing into one of his comments (that was so outrageously slanderous of the tech that his cult followers had to ignore it altogether.) Will we now be seeing Marty Rathbun directly assailing the Tech in a more and more obvious way?
Will we see Rathbun gradually slip more and more technical degrades into his communications, while continuing to endorse psychology texts and attack the standard practice of Scientology in the Church?
This is the real ball that one has to keep his eye on; not the distracting daily criticisms that Rathbun issues about what others are doing.
The Rat posted another gem that shows how little he ever understood about Scientology. To justify his denigration of LRH and the Church, he has found some obscure Zen (allegedly) quote to give him “license” to commit Suppressive acts.
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Quite apart from the obvious fact that the quote is bullshit, why does The Rat need to look to Zen, psychiatry, Caberta, or anything that seems to justify his acts, and yet ignore the LRH quotes that are TOTALLY RELEVANT to the matter at hand? He does after all claim to be entirely pro-LRH.
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There are thousands of LRH writings describing The Rat in every way possible, and NONE that endorse the suppressive acts he is engaged on. He ignores all that, and finds instead some obscure, out-of-context untruth to justify his lies and deceit.
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He sure is coming out of the closet – well, just making it very clear that he is out of the closet.
Marty can’t make a living with Scientology, because he can’t apply it. He couldn’t apply it in the Church and so resorted to violence and out-tech for which he was kicked out. He can’t apply it outside the Church because he doesn’t understand it. So now his only way to make a living is to apply his basic personality and try suppress it.
Marty Rathbun is a fraud from beginning to end.
Yeah, I just about choked hearing Rathbun say it was the end of his “ethics” phase and the beginning of the “tech” phase.
Whoa…where do you *start* with an insane statement like this?
Let’s hope his “tech” phase is just as successful as his “ethics” phase.
I also noticed that even his cult commenters were basically saying, “yeah, good luck with that Marty, go for it, we’re right behind you observing (glad it’s not me trying to pass off that bogus crap)”
“The falsity is further proven by the fact that he only delivers to others like him who are dedicated to making Scientology wrong for their own inability to make case gain.”
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You will notice that it’s usually their own inability to get through a sec check that’s just prior to their hooking up with Rathbun.
That makes sense. Rathbun’s idea of “ethics” is slamming, hurting, harming, making wrong, etc.
I wonder what his ideas will be in the “tech phase”?
Is he going to devise a “how you were victimized” auditing list?
At least earlier squirrels went through the motions of delivering or concentrating on the tech. After a while even the squirreliest of them had to admit they were squirrelling.
Rathbun only uses the tech (or his weird version of it) as a tool in his crazy crusade to slam the Church and LRH.
I saw the Marty video where he mentioned the end of the ethics and beginning of tech phases. After I recovered from the laughing jag that sent me into, I noticed he quoted Beghe being interviewed by “journalist Mark Bunker”!!
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After my wife resuscitated me, my first thought was that calling Mark Bunker a “journalist” was like calling Josef Goebbels a “broadcaster.”
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Marty Rathbun just has no shame, like most “sociopaths next door.”
He won’t often be as obviously ignorant and degrading of the tech as he was with his M9 word clearing remarks – I think that was a slip.
(“stupidity is unknownness of consideration”)
You’ll see a lot more of Rathbun equating the workable tech of Scientology with his own misunderstandings of the Tao, buddhism, etc.
His every selective use of quotes/data and his pronouncements on them are another covert degradation of the Tech, but they’re designed to slip right past people as degradations.
I think it will be a long time before you see Rathbun come fully out of the closet, but he is drifting more and more in that direction because his readers let him get away with it. None of them have a KSW viewpoint, so they don’t bust him when he adds in squirrely things and keeps insisting he’s all about “standard”.
I think Rathbun just wants to present a middle class PTS, mild version of the tech so that people like Caberta and Bunker won’t find it offensive and he can keep them thinking he’s really harmless.
Thanks, Sal, well spotted.
It would practically take a full lecture to show how that proverb was a) poorly translated, b) taken out of context, and c)an aphorism that was just another way (among many) of pointing out cause and effect.
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To the literal mind of Marty, it seems to say that the enturbulation you cause as a suppressive is really for others’ own good. As you say, a justification.
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But then, we know for certain that Rathbun is a propagandistic “moroon.”
“The falsity is further proven by the fact that he only delivers to others like him who are dedicated to making Scientology wrong for their own inability to make case gain.”
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There may be more fecund statements, but I can’t think of any more telling.
“Quite apart from the obvious fact that the quote is bullshit, …”
Quite right Sal! It says a lot that Rathbun reads his crowd and finds them enamored with such all out non-sense. Just like he does with LRH, he grabs something that he thinks fits the con he is trying to pull, and he writes completely out of context.
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So, ignoring the Tweet that used this phrase a few months ago, here is the text that the quote belongs in. It is so exactly Rathbun:
“Emptiness, nothing holy–the approach is far off.” The latter expréssion comes from Zhuangzi–”Very far off, not near to humán sense.” At that time the patriarch Bodhidharma may have been a bit lacking in expedient technique, but it is hardly realized that unless the medicine stuns you it won’t cure the disease. At first he immediately brought down a thunder-ous hand, but now he has already gone this way to take a rest; therefore ‘succeeding, he swings the axe without harming the n?se/ As Zhuangzi was attending a funeral procession, as they passed the grave of Huisi he turnéd and said to his followers, “As Ying Ren was plastering a wall he splashed a bit on his nose, a spot as big as a fly wing; he had Jiang Shi cut it off. Jiang Shi swung his axe, creating a breeze, and cut it off with a whoosh–closing his eyes, letting his hand swing freely, he cut away the whole spot without injuring Ying Ren’s nose. Ying Ren stood there without flinching. Since the death of these people, I have no one capable of being my disciples.”
OMG!! Apply his personality as a substitute for the tech. This is so exact. I don’t need any more humor for the rest of the week.
I thought he was already doing that. He has been such a victim throughout his career.
I hope you have your insurance paid up. Before Rathbun slips on his last banana peel, I think that we are going to be witness to a few more absurdities. There should be laws against such misuse of logic and language.
The only thing standard about Rathbun is that he is quite the standard ethics case gone wild.
Thanks for the whole quote Christine. That makes it even more obvious that The Rat is full of sh*t. He plucks any sentence by anyone out of anywhere and assigns it ‘authority’ and uses it to justify his insanity. Kind of insane really. But then again, that is the only thing he truly excels at.
Me neither.
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Where indeed! I think he must have gotten that insane statement from one the fish that advise him about life and the oneness of all and other ethical and technical matters.
Good point Sharpe. That is always the earlier beginning with his followers – the ability to assign cause elsewhere and to deny responsibility.
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From previous postings of his we now that the first thing he does away with is asking for withholds from anyone.
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After that all he demands from a pc before stating they have made the grade is an ability on their part to assign COB as ultimate cause of everything that happens in their life or their environment. Once they have had that ‘cognition’ they are done with Marty Tech.
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You mean – it’s all a con job?!
OK, he may have no shame, but you do have to admit that he is the very best Fish Whisperer in the business.
If you are the kind of person that chokes to death laughing at absurdities, then you are talking your life in your hands by reading Rathbun. He is nothing but absurd.
Let’s face it – slipping that kind of stuff past the audience he has is no great feat. They lost the ability to think before they joined him.
You are probably right in what his intentions are. But Caberta and Bunker and the others know he is an idiot. Nothing he does would really impress them – they laugh at him behind his back.
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“The falsity of this pretense – obvious to those who practice real Scientology and gain by its standard application – has been proven to even casual onlookers by Rathbun’s collusion with and validation of characters who openly and knowingly attack Scientology Tech itself – Beghe, Caberta, Ortega, Bunker, et al.”
Surprising. Really surprising.
I am so new at this game that I didn’t know the names and disappointments of that parade of chanchos. It was so depressing to read their stories. Are they all victims, or do they just act that way?
“As Ying Ren was plastering a wall he splashed a bit on his nose, a spot as big as a fly wing; he had Jiang Shi cut it off.”
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I just read about all the Gerghe and Balbertas and Berries, but I still don’t know who the rat was referring to – does he want the painful medicine to cut the nose of each of them and are the video rights part of the agreement for Chunker? Why is the rat’s writing so confusing?
So I’m not the only one thinking that this guy is loco, eh? I have only read his blog a couple times since hearing about it last week, but it is wacko times 10. I don’t know who he is talking to that gives him props. Maybe they are as clueless as he is. I bet he argues with the ATM machine about how it should communicate with him when he gets money.
Deny seems to be the theme of their entire blog. I imagine their lives is just one giant upset after another, when anyone says something it acts like a list error or a restimulation of something they did to someone.
Really? Really? You think that they had some class before they slipped into a sloppy stage of their lives? I suppose it has to start sometime. I was just thinking that they were the type that was searching for an excuse to have a meltdown, just waiting for something to pin it on. If it wasn’t Scientology, it could have been police cars or the distance of the sun.
They hate him more now that you let them know that they are in agreement with Scientologists about something. They better go to their paymaster’s office and report this indiscretion before they get a chaira in the back for taking on the colors of the enemy.
Is it the fraud part that disturbs you or the fraud from beginning to end?
Of course. It was such a fishy statement that I should have known. But the word ‘zen’ must impress someone like our Marty. Not that I have anything about it, but like Scientology it would take a mind much less constantly pent up then Marty Mark’s to be able to understand it enough to give a comment.
Just from these posts, I’d say there is more ‘tech’ in this thread than Mr. Marty will get in many many months of BSing around in his alleged Post-Ethics Phase.
“To the literal mind of Marty, it seems to say that the enturbulation you cause as a suppressive is really for others’ own good. As you say, a justification.
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But then, we know for certain that Rathbun is a propagandistic “moroon.””
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Good work Philo! It is so hard to figure out wtf Mr. Marty is trying to say, except that he has caused some trouble for someone and can't own up to it.
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I really really like your summation. It should go in the Hall of Marty Infamy: propagandistic moron
“He plucks any sentence by anyone out of anywhere and assigns it ‘authority’ and uses it to justify his insanity. Kind of insane really. But then again, that is the only thing he truly excels at.”
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Insane is right. He fits right into the “everything is morally equivalent” phase of today’s humanity. A=A=A everywhere.
It is amazing though, what this pandering pantywaist will come up with. “End of my ethics phase”? Whatever the freak does that mean anyway? Could it mean that he kissed and made up with Rinder for trying to kill him? That he’s paid back the Church for the millions that he admits swindling?
“I think he must have gotten that insane statement from one the fish that advise him about life and the oneness of all and other ethical and technical matters”
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Rathbun was
depth-anatelydefinitely plumbing thedebtsdepths for that end of ethics phase phrase. Is there anything he says that is not trying to hide some anti-social activity that he was involved in?Others have made that point before and I would like to say the same. The group here keeps me on my toes and constantly points out things that I get to wrap into demos and application when working with people…because unlike Rathbun I continue to work on ethics with other people and with myself. The End of Ethics is what Rathbun was trying to portray, and he is obviously more the bastard for it.
Shocked! that we would find yet another Captain Renault moment while watching Rathbun fumble in his beer. End of Ethics indeed. The ultimate goal of the chief Rat and his nest of evil.
The horror is that Rathbun will come up with something quite as absurd a few days later that is intellectually inconsistent with what he said just before.
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Did I just use ‘intellectually’ in a sentence about Rathbun? My gawds, send me to ethics. Oh, yeah, it is the End of Ethics Era. Phew.
They are such victims that they can’t come up with motivators and justifiers quick enough to wipe the guilt off their degenerating bodies. They try, of course. But they spend so much time running from an ethics clean up that they can’t evaluate the stupidity of what they come up with.
Neither really. It was a play on a quote that Marty included in his introduction to his new book per his recent video. Couldn’t help it, I had to watch it. It was like slowing down to look at an accident on the freeway.
The names referenced are pure attackers and outright SP’s. Bunker has been making noises at Marty’s behest that he now doesn’t actually destroy Scientology, just “reform” it.
The others are less covert.
I like the way Philo put it, “To the literal mind of Marty, it seems to say that the enturbulation you cause as a suppressive is really for others’ own good.”
That’s all Rathbun had in mind; he’s not a real deep thinker.
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You’ll notice that ANY tech he cites, whether it’s rap/country lyrics, zen proverbs, psychobabble, or even real Scn tech, is distilled by him into a bumper-sticker justification for an attack on Scientology. That’s about as deep as he goes, and it’s what he goes looking for whenever he reads anything, or is told anything.
I have only read a few of these writing of this rat guy. Deep isn’t the word I was thinking of, but your explanation is. Acrid might be the word I think of. His writing is really stinky. His style is weird, and like you say Sharpe, he starts everything like he has an agenda, then by the end of the paragraph you can see that he is making and excuse or blaming someone else or some other action like a conn man.
I couldn’t watch that. Just the first look at him was enough to make me know that I should never believe a word he says. It isn’t surprising that he would be a fraud, just from the way he looks and writes.
I agree with what you said here. It feel like friends here, very pleasant but very clever and experienced. All I could understand from the other place was that they were so very angry and everything was Scientology’s fault, for everything they couldn’t do right.
I know the logic of them staying away from disclosing the things they have done, but what is this you say about them not using Level 2 tech? How do they expect to improve if they can’t get their attention off the things they did to people? I suppose that is why they are so fighting all the time on their thread board.
“…why does The Rat need to look to Zen, psychiatry, Caberta, or anything that seems to justify his acts, and yet ignore the LRH quotes that are TOTALLY RELEVANT to the matter at hand? ”
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That question needs repeating 20 times a day. Maybe I’ll put it on a macro and bring it up on the next thread.
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Why does Mr. Rathbun ignore all the direct LRH references that point out that Rathbun is a fool, an idiot, a suppressive, a person who is doing all the wrong things in all the wrong ways? Why?
So, let me guess. Once again, Rathbun has said something that indicates his state while trying to hide it? What a surprise. He’s as transparent as ice and half as warm.
Bunker said that? He can’t really become more of a cartoon character, but what a ditz. It wouldn’t take much digging to show that he is an anti-religion, anti-spirit person of the first degree. He’s the clown that would hand out razor blades then say it is some free rights thing.
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“He plucks any sentence by anyone out of anywhere and assigns it ‘authority’ and uses it to justify his insanity. Kind of insane really. But then again, that is the only thing he truly excels at.”
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Nicely said Sal. I especially like the point about the Rathbun view of ‘authority’. It is like everything else – he has no authority so he tries to hide with arbitrarily spouted non-sense.
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He does excel at insane though.
“That is always the earlier beginning with his followers – the ability to assign cause elsewhere and to deny responsibility.”
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I hadn’t put that together so well as you did Marcus. Thanks. It just goes to show, you either handle the correct problem correctly, or you end up like the Rathbun Rats who bounce off the walls more than the molecules in Avogadro’s experiment.
“I suppose that is why they are so fighting all the time on their thread board.”
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That is one reason.
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Another is that all the ropers on Rathbun’s bulletin board are exactly like him: small beings who committed small errors but felt the need for big justifications and motivators. So sad. Now the trap looks like they were boiled in Dante’s hell for a while with their syrupy fluids as the glue instead of their only-one life choices.
“He won’t often be as obviously ignorant and degrading of the tech as he was with his M9 word clearing remarks – I think that was a slip.”
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Right. He can’t do that too often or the con is too obvious for even the slimiest of his sycophants.
Bunker said words to that effect when he was introduced by Marty as the man with the idea behind Marty’s blog. Then Marty went on to defend him saying he wasn’t really anti-Tech or anti-LRH but a good guy.
Then Bunker chimed in supporting Rathbun’s BS line about “saving” Scientology, etc.
It was a beautiful example of how stupid Marty thinks are.
Bunker is the guy who published a joker-degrader version of Dianetics and made degrading graphics of LRH. Then Marty tried to present Bunker as a decent guy who only wanted to “reform” the Church.
Marty’s cult swallowed it without a burp.
It has been pointed out before that they do have an ethics code. Anyone who says anything that points out the insanity of the Marty is bleated down. I wonder if the end of ethics means ending that?
There’s Marty, predicting the end of ethics era. We know that:
a) Whatever he says is a lie
b) Whatever he says is an attempted sleight of hand to disguise something he feels guilty about
c) He’s a slimy idiot, but that isn’t relevant to this argument.
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Mr. (cough cough) PR is setting up his book, a book whose lies he is already feeling guilty about. He must feel that is is so out-ethics that the is the break in his mind. He thinks this is the can’t come back moment.
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I think it is just another yawn moment.
Maybe. I’d love to try it. The standard ethics road would be long, but who is in a hurry? If he says his ethics era is past, that just means it is just getting ready to get started.
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Have a seat Marty. What shall we handle today?
That is such a sweet idea, everyone figuring out that Mr. Marty is nothing more than an unreliable sop. What a point of agreement.
“I thought he was already doing that. He has been such a victim throughout his career.”
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And that will be the famous era of tech in the Mr. Marty Church of Victimology
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