If you think you see Marty Rathbun described in the following quotes, you’re right.
LRH said, in “On Human Behavior” (1953)
“What we call the aberrative personality does the following things:
1. Everything bad that happened to the preclear was (a) ridiculous, (b) unimportant, c) deserved.
2. Everything the preclear and others did to the aberrative person was (a) very important, (b) very bad, c) irremediable.
3. Those things which the preclear could do (a) were without real value, (b) were done better by the aberrative personality or by others.”
You can see that this describes virtually every pronouncement Marty Rathbun makes regarding the Church and its executives and members. On a more intimate level, this is even the way he treats people who try to comment on his blog with a differing opinion.
Rathbun may talk a good game, but a direct look at him and what he does will show you that he himself is not at all capable of doing things better. In fact, he’s not capable of producing products at all. Marty Rathbun (and his guard dog Rinder) are only capable of criticizing and complaining about the production of others. They have no real products or stats.
“They have lost all ability themselves to create, they cannot work themselves… They produce nothing, they must steal one way or another, and then devaluate whatever they obtain. They speak very sternly of honesty or ethics and put on a formidable front of complete legality.” LRH
Look at how Rathbun has been parasiting off the very name of Scientology for years now, without which he would have no game (and no income.) The fact that he tries to call what he does “Scientology” is itself a Suppressive Act, proscribed by LRH himself.
Even then, he must, as is the pattern of an aberrative personality, devaluate what he steals from Scientology. This is apparent in each of his communications to media merchants of chaos. He devaluates the Tech itself and is going out of his way now to devaluate LRH.
“The truth of the matter is such people never win. If one traces out these people…he will discover that the aberrative personality is very close to the brink of a crackup, has a very low survival level, and quite commonly goes insane.”
“The aberrative personality is at work with this operation twenty-four hours a day. Ceaselessly, relentlessly, calculatingly, with full knowingness, the aberrative personality continues this onslaught against those around him.”
Keep this in mind the next time you see or hear anything by Marty Rathbun, and know that it is just part of his relentless onslaught against those around him.
I like how LRH was spotting these characters as early as 1953, and it shows what a cliche Rathbun is. He doesn’t/can’t produce, all the bad things that were done to him are unforgivable (reminds me of his tears at the Caberta press thing) and he’s just a parasite.
Fortunately, he is only able to aberrate a relative few.
Something tells me Marty would read this and think it applies to someone else.
You should send a copy of this to Marty’s friends and see if it rings a bell.
I love this part: “They produce nothing, they must steal one way or another, and then devaluate whatever they obtain.”
That’s Marty in relation to Scientology in one sentence, or at least his squirrel operation. He devalues it because he stole it, and didn’t even put in the work to understand it or train in it.
“The aberrative personality is at work with this operation twenty-four hours a day. Ceaselessly, relentlessly, calculatingly, with full knowingness, the aberrative personality continues this onslaught against those around him.”
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And there you have Marty Rathbun in a nut shell.
you say that “rathbun may talk a good game” and you are right on. it’s really the only thing he’s ever been able to do. he’s been a snake oil salesman since I’ve first known him, and can only talk about things, not do them. don’t forget, when he talks, he’s always constantly promoting himself so you think he’s a real producer, but if you look with your own eyeballs you quickly see its all smoke.
Marty speaks “very sternly of honesty or ethics and put on a formidable front of complete legality” but then he supports sex-trafficking by way of his brother ortega.
There’s another one.
This is another great way to describe what a criminal mind Rathbun is, “They produce nothing, they must steal one way or another, and then devaluate whatever they obtain.”
He has stolen all he can from Scientology and is engaged in trying to devalue it every day…not just the tech, but LRH and the decent people in Scientology, too.
Rathbun is very close to a crack up. View the video at the top of this page. I also notice when I have read him recently that he sounds like he is trying to remain calm, so I think he knows he is on the edge of losing it.
I agree that you can see this in virtually every “pronouncement” he makes (I love that word, it captures his absurd attitude)and it’s almost funny to me that he doesn’t see how he fits the pattern.
One word you didn’t mention was “pompous” which I can’t help but think of every time I read something of his. Rinder seems the same way. I wonder if these two sat down at one point and decided being pompous was a good strategy. As if maybe that would make people think they know what they’re talking about.
So much for Rathbun being “source” on anything. He’s only source on altering Scientology tech, ethics, admin and still trying to call it Scientology. He can’t even get enough gain to act like a communication course grad, and look at Rinder. He hasn’t moved a nudge since I first met him over 30 years ago, and he was an arrogant, out-of-arc individual then.
It makes it hard to figure why they even bother, unless they just want to torpedo everyone else’s chances at getting better.
One of Rat/Rin’s themes is that COB’s actions “(a) were without real value, (b) were done better by the aberrative personality or by others” (namely Rat and Rin.)
But it’s all just words. Things took off after they were taken off the line, along with some of the suppressive compadres they had placed wherever they could.
Neither of these guys produced any expansion products, ever worked in a service org, and took credit for things COB had to handle despite the fact that they botched virtually everything they touched. I’m surprised at his patience at not getting these two off the lines sooner.
I guess you can count on Rathbun continuing to parasite off Scientology. It’s been a couple of years now that I’ve been keeping loose track of him and he hasn’t done anything yet but find a way to make a living issuing every criticism he can think of. He doesn’t actually make or deliver anything of value. Even if he were doing Scientology correctly, he would be thieving they way he has it set up.
Calling Rathbun an aberrative personality almost sounds like a euphemism. But I like the pic; he does tend to whine about how badly done by he is.
“Ceaselessly, relentlessly, calculatingly, with full knowingness”
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These are things to keep in mind about Rathbun and his cohorts as well. They’re not just people who happen to have a grudge.
Hey, Rathbun isn’t even that subtle about it. He’s the only guy I know of who can whine with hatred and anger.
You don’t mention enough how Rathbun steals everything he uses to make money with. He steals it and then “devalues” it as the quotes say, but that’s all he does. He doesn’t add anything of value to anyone.
Rathbun has played the victim card a lot, and tries to gather other “victims” to him. Notice that’s the tone of much of the comm coming out of his quarter.
Not much to be proud of, and not what a Scientologist would do.
I don’t think you can hit that point too hard — Rathbun and Rinder and most of the characters they associate with aren’t capable of producing and don’t have stats.
They sure can complain about others tho’.
They can only win in an apparent mest sense. The last article here mentioned creeps who can attack and the society that makes that easy.
Rathbun counts on that, and his “winning” is only evidenced by the fact that he’s still a creep, still attacking.
But Rathbun and Rinder are losing big time, actually have already lost.
I don’t see them ever recovering.
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That’s what the pic reminded me of. I’m sure Ursula thought it was all just as unforgivable as Marty tried to to make it sound.
Count on it. You can guess who he thinks it applies to.
I don’t think you’d get a single jingle. They’ve already bought into Marty’s motivators.
It reminds me of the thieves who steal valuable metal sculptures and then melt them down for the value of the raw metal.
“He devaluates the Tech itself and is going out of his way now to devaluate LRH.”
With the media especially. He thinks soft-pedalling the tech is a way to pursuade SPs that it’s OK and harmless. He’s even called some of it an “allegory”.
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Overall, why should Rathbun value the tech? He didn’t do anything to earn it, didn’t even train in it properly, never got any gain from it, and is scared to death of others getting the benefits of it.
Plus, as an SP he’s got a VERY poor idea of property rights and ownership.
Yes, just keep that in mind, and you’ve got a reliable handle on Rathbun.
True, “suppressive” does sound more descriptive.
That’s the thing that bothers me about rathbun and other idiots like him. They use the word Scientology to describe themselves, but it seems everything they do is anti-Scientology.
I even saw a piece once where rathbun was almost praising degrading statements about LRH himself, and just covertly invalidating what he did.
He should just go away and call his stuff martyology or whatever.
You said that “a direct look at him and what he does will show you that he himself is not at all capable of doing things better” and that seems almost complimentary to me.
Rathbun has a history of screwing up big time. There was his wedding night, his ranting like a bag lady while spitting and smoking, his footbullet in Germany, his failed petition scam, his headley case involvement, and don’t forget how he screwed up just about everything he touched on legal lines in the church.
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I think you’re being too easy on him.
No, they don’t, but look at how they each work hard to convince us they do. Sam’s list of “accomplishments” was a particular favorite of mine, and she ends up wearing a t-shirt that says “sp and proud.”
One stat that none of them brag about is having been able to pass their six-month sec checks.
It’s amazing how you can pull out any LRH article on SPs and Rathbun fills out the characteristics. It’s like he read the issues and then decided to dramatize each point.
It’s the action of a criminal and a thief. Steal something and then devalue it.
Just like rathbun, they didn’t earn it, so it has no value.
It is 24 hours a day with him; he can’t escape it. The choir has probably let him convince them that it’s just because he’s a “hard worker.” The fact is that he can’t do anything else. You know it’s on his mind constantly.
Yeah, scoot, we share the experience of seeing Marty pretend his way through life while undermining honest, producing staff.
Rinder and Rathbun are both playing by the rules of force, and inherit only mest. They both ARE mest, and have mest goals now.
You won’t see anything resembling actual ARC going on in their universes, except “arc” for destructive actions and words.
Look over his entire life, and you won’t see anything he’s produced. Critical words and phrases, maybe.
“One stat that none of them brag about is having been able to pass their six-month sec checks.”
Brilliant, just brilliant.
There are actually quite a few of them around making all the noise they can, if you follow the news at all. But they’re aberrative personalities, too.
You’re talking about people who have invested quite a bit of time and effort into trying to prove that Scientology won’t work on them. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy for most of them, as they managed to spend years without getting the gains.
Rathbun never could keep his hands clean, and seems to have had ridiculously squirrely ideas about the tech anyway.
All he can do is try to destroy the bridge for others.
LRH has had people like The Rat pegged ever since he researched and wrote Science of Survival. He had squirrels, back stabbers, thieves and vested interest SPs trying to rip off and destroy Scientology and Dianetics back in 1951 – there were people doing exactly the same then as The Rat is doing now.
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The only difference between the The Rat and the squirrels and SPs of old is the technology they are able to use to communicate. Other than that they are identical.
The “irremediable” things that Rathbun dwells on and complains about are fabrications. He doesn’t wait for things to be done to him – he’ll just flat make up things to squeal about.
Rathbun’s not just “going out of his way now to devaluate LRH,” he’s been doing it for a while. I think his collaboration on the new yorker article was a shot at that,and probably before that if I had looked closely at him.
That’s the truth; I’ve followed them from before the days of the internet, through usenet and into the current message board/blog mania, placing trash through selected SPs in the media who want controversy to write about.
If you look at what’s being said, and how it’s being said, it’s the same crap, recycled.
Ratbun tries to change up the events, natters about anything new he can think of, but the characters and their motives are all cut from the same stamp.
Well, if he thought it applied to Rinder, he’d be right.
Even if they did “earn” it (through proper training, etc.) the aberrated personality would still devalue it.
They are not capable of case gain and are on the destroy end of the help button.
Don’t mention nuts around Rathbun. He goes into all the harm he was done by anti-squirrel elements.
Rathbun is all about Rathbun and incessantly promotes himself (while nattering about cults of personality out of the other side of his mouth.)
Anyone who doesn’t have a vested interest in siding with him can see this plainly.
I’m with you on all points. As a young guy, I was kind of amazed at how Rinder could remain rock-solid for so long. Rathbun, too, although he at least always tried to put up a PR front to make himself look better.
We see now that these drinking, drug-promoting, sex-traffic abetting no gain cases are exactly what you would expect SPs to be.
“Things took off after they were taken off the line, along with some of the suppressive compadres they had placed wherever they could.”
The eval practically writes itself.
He does try to mock up some altitude on his writings more and more, but the whining factor always shines through.
If you’re thinking of the ones I’m thinking of, Rathbun supports them too.
Irresponsible faux-victims (Rathbun is their king) have that attitude. I spot it in many places around us. The media love these types; it helps them to promote that it’s “all bad out there.”
Each and every “grudge” they might present is just mocked up anyway.
Oh, she mocked up sympathy like it was a real tragedy. Aside from being sickening, it was transparent as hell.
The new means of comm allow Rat and friends to make the “multiple sources” look more voluminous. But it’s still just a handful of SP’s. Notice how you have multiple sources commenting on the same things, and they’re the same old disproven lies and criticisms.
You’re right. Rathbun could demo it in clay (if he were capable of that) and still think it applied to someone else. He’s not capable of connecting with it.
He believes he’s just doing “good work.”
it’s always worth it to read your comments philly.
Agreed. They’ve each had to cross a sort of suppressive rubicon to be admitted as his “friends.” I don’t see any of them being able to come back to sanity.
If they’re still Marty’s “friends” since he openly connected up with the like of bunker, caberta, ortege, etc., they’re way too far gone to care whether or not rathbun is a textbook suppressive.
Even the “critics” who also criticize Rathbun, hang onto their lies and motivators for dear life, so support him for attacking the church.
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” kind of think.
Yes, JonO that does describe him perfectly, and I see it every time I look in on him. He just relentlessly is on a destroy trip.
exactly, well spotted and applied. incredible hypocrites.
A social personality wouldn’t have anything to do with ortega. That’s really enough said, but if one did associate with him out of ignorance of tech, they would surely get as far away from him as possible once the child sex trafficking alarm bells went off.
That doesn’t stop him from trying to aberrate as many as possible and doing it “relentlessly”.
Nice, Sal. It’s that way everywhere Scn and the Tech are introduced, it’s been that way on this planet, and will be that way wherever it’s introduced.
Truth will out.
I agree that describes Marty’s squirrel operation, but it applies to every squirrel I’ve even known about. I don’t want to mention names, but there are guys out there now practicing a version of Scientology without any real exchange for what they’re using of it to make money. (All thoroughly “justified” of course.)
I guarantee each one of them has technical withholds, even the “best” of them who were once considered genuine tech terminals. You simply cannot end up in the situation they are in without them.
Based on what I’ve seen and read of Rinder lately, he’s actually gotten much worse, he hasn’t just stayed the same.
He’s like a rock with a bad attitude, and seems to know he’s lost.
Sorry to sound simplistic, but it sure sounds like sour grapes to me. All these guys had was their phoney status, and lost that, and now they’re nothing but guys trying to get the game they were kicked out of.
I think that’s truly the point. The aberrative personality would devalue it in any case, as part of his makeup.
In Marty’s case, we know he has a dreadful sense of personal property and upstats earning what they have. He thinks anything and everything is his because he can access it.
Yes, LRH had them pegged for a long time, and there are plenty of people, or at least a handful that have enough O/Ws, who can’t or won’t apply the SP tech to these guys.
I saw one woman go on and on about having sought out the entheta rathbun spiels and turn the very presence of that entheta against Scientology.
How nuts can you get?
Nice Lion, that really is the same criminal mechanics at work. That’s the sort of thing I thought of when I watched Rat and Rin doing their corny video about how “Books make Booms.”
These two managed to creep into senior exec posts without ever having earned any right whatsoever to even comment on org delivery by holding a post in a service org.
After 3 decades they were “cogniting” (so they could use their “cogs” against the Church) on the value of books.
All that time they never valued Scientology because they never earned the slightest corner of it.
He follows the dictates of his very suppressiveness and can’t introspect. He thinks the points don’t apply to him.
With both Rathbun and Rinder and a lot of the hard core that remains connected to them, their motivators are more real to them than the suppressive actions they take, and “justify” them.
It’s going to be a long haul for them, and more misery than you can imagine between here and there.
I think Vince is resisting temptation and managing to be more gentlemanly than Rathbun deserves. But even casual observers can see that Rathbun is a serial screw-up.
Part of that is their heavy drinking and all the rest that goes along with their increasing mestness. They look terrible.
He’s a cliche to honest Scientologists, and I think he and Rinder both count on the fact that a lot of people aren’t educated on the cliche.
That’s what I say – he’s incapable of introspection and continually reads tech data and directs it elsewhere.
I love when the Old Man makes it dead clear that people like Rathbun and Rinder do what they do with full calculation about the onslaught they’re engaged in.
He devalues it, doesn’t add to it, alters it, uses it exactly in reverse to harm others and hold them down, and tries to push himself up by doing so.
This is a professional huckster, who has been doing this sort of thing for a very, very long time. He has managed to take in a lot of people over that time despite making glaring mistakes that reveal him. He gets away with it because of people’s inability to confront evil.
Thanks. I can’t read his choir without thinking “oh please, stop mocking up being such a victim, and take some responsibility for your condition.”
Rathbun is easy to spot as one of these persons, it is others who link with him who are harder to see as such, as they put on a very good act.
Germans are not stupid and most of them, even the anti-Scn ones, could see that Rathbun is guilty of bad acting also.
Did you notice that Germany has forgotten him so quickly?
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It all seems to come down to one act: they’re good guys who didn’t deserve the motivators they mocked up.
A lot of them take secret notes for years and stack up complaints (due to their own O’s) and then explode with them and go hook up with one of the most blatant suppressives they can find, and still try to convince others they’re just good guys who were badly treated.
Lol, you beat me to it.
What’s worse is that they seek out people like Rathbun and Hawkins and consider what they’re writing “the truth” just because they’re the same critical thoughts they’ve had.
Pure genius. No ability to spot the beginning of the cycle of their madness, much less source of a problem.
“their motivators are more real to them than the suppressive actions they take…”
Nicely said, and very perceptive.
True; it makes you wonder how anyone can Q&A with them at all.
Yes, Sharpe, you and I were around them for the same periods.
One of their most deceptive facades is the notion that they didn’t spend a couple of decades each getting no case gain.
…with full calculation and knowingness, but without the courage to be up-front about their real intentions.
Thanks, scoot. You and I both know the period you’re talking about, but the point is that he hasn’t changed, and in fact has gotten worse.
He used to be able to just push his way around and use force, now he uses transparent snake-oil sales.
Good point, and I think if you look you’ll see he’s been at least covertly trying to unmock LRH for a very long time.