No less a dedicated propagandist than Joseph Goebbels once inspired Marty Rathbun in his campaign of hatred against Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard. “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth” seems to be the guiding principle of Rathbun’s transparently perverse representation of himself and his purposes.
We’ve heard from him for several years now that he is “pro” LRH. In fact, hearing him say or imply this in numerous ways is the ONLY indication of that “pro” stance. His actions have virtually all been to the contrary, and clearly show that he is as much of an LRH hater as has ever existed.
For some background on this, see my article “Marty Rathbun Confirms He’s Anti-LRH Once Again.”
Aside from the fact that Rathbun is actively befriending and supporting the most unequivocal LRH-haters in the world today – Ursula Caberta, Mark Bunker, Tony Ortega, SP Times, Sweeney, Berry, etc. – his bastardization of the Tech of Scientology itself (while posing as an “authority” on it) tells the real story of his intentions toward LRH.
The number and degree of his technically squirrel actions alone show that he has utter disdain for the miraculous tech LRH created, as well as for the Administrative and Ethics procedures he put in place to keep the tech effective and pure. No amount of silly assertions of being “standard” by Rathbun can overcome the facts of his malpractice of Scientology and its Tech and principles.
But the real-world facts don’t stop Rathbun from repeated employing his Big Lie technique with the field of individuated apostates and squirrels that he invaded to act as his support group, and many of them are happy to mimic those lies right back, in the hope of pulling others off the actual Bridge.
In a dwindling spiral of mutual out-Tech ruds, each squirrel encourages the next, back and forth. Rathbun himself engages in all manner of Technical Degrades including shortcut, quickied and even ignored processes, squirrel checksheets and issues, altered and minimized “OT” processing, grade and “OT” level completions without any Qual, and even a campaign to relegate the overt/withhold tech to the lost tech file. The other squirrels not only validate him for it, and copy his know-best disregard for the tech, but some even submit to Rathbun as their “C/S.”
By redefinition of terms by this new High Priest of technical interpretation, these things are now Rathbun’s idea of “standard.”
In fact, taking the issue Keeping Scientology Working in reverse would give you a road map to Rathbun’s (and friends’) entire technical operation.
Yet the Big Lie that Rathbun is “pro” LRH continues.
But in reality, we see only that after several decades of rockslammer Rathbun pretending he is for LRH and LRH tech, he is merely a mean little man surrounded by a small group of gleefully individuated squirrels for whom Scientology and it’s technical processes are toys to be played with in whatever sensational hit-or-miss manner they please, while they congratulate each other on being Free! Free! to be as out-ethics as they please without taking responsibility for others.
All while vilifying anything and everything to do with the organizations LRH himself established to take the practice of pure Scientology into the future.
Caveat emptor.
“hearing him say or imply this in numerous ways is the ONLY indication of that “pro” stance…”
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Vince, you have written another “nail on the head” manifesto against the Marty Crap Fest. To call what he says BS is one thing, but to lay it out with full dramatic proof shows more patience than I have. Bottom line: What Marty says is crap, what he does is incompetent crap and in the end, as it ever was, what Marty actually accomplishes is crap-all nothing but failure and anti-social behavior.
As Chaucer said: “A man is pertinacious when he defends his folly and trusts too greatly in his own wit.”
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Rathbun digs further into this hole every day, in the worst way possible. He not only blathers on about his weird interpretations of humanity, but he makes sure that Rinder – or someone else who he has beaten up perhaps – enforces that every comment from all the other LRH-haters say how great Rathbun is.
It is “Rathbun’s transparently perverse representation of himself and his purposes” that grates with those of us who are genuinely “pro.”
Rathbun is roundly mocked daily by other Scientology/LRH haters for even trying to present this facade of himself.
Real Scientologists – those with clean hands who don’t get wrapped up in games conditions with the Church – find him either laughable or disgusting for trying to continue such a corny ruse.
like you say, that really is it: “But in reality, we see only that after several decades of rockslammer Rathbun pretending he is for LRH and LRH tech”
he’s always been a rockslammer, and his only real skill has been hiding that fact and pretending to be something else.
I mentioned before that you can’t have someone supporting such outright suppressives (like Rathbun does) who at the same time duplicates the tech. The two things are mutually exclusive, and anyone who had even a decent “conceptual understanding of the philosophy” would see that plain as day.
You had it right when you spotted Rathbun’s use of the “who you gonna believe? me or your own lyin’ eyes” propaganda.
I didn’t understand how Rathbun could commit such gross auditing errors and try to call it “standard.” Maybe you’re right, it’s just a lie repeated frequently so people will think it must be true.
According to my “conceptual understanding” if you get enough people to agree on lies/alterations, you end up with something like the MEST universe. Maybe that’s all rathbun is trying to do, make people more MEST.
Your bit about “hearing him say or imply this in numerous ways is the ONLY indication of that “pro” stance” is spot on, and its a knowing propaganda technique used by low-level BSers like Rathbun (and politicians).
He even criticized Murdoch for “cutting his teeth” on LRH-hating!
(he never mentioned his friends like Bunker and Ortega who did that)
“In fact, taking the issue Keeping Scientology Working in reverse would give you a road map to Rathbun’s (and friends’) entire technical operation.”
marty never found out that it was the correct tech. he keeps looking for it in psych books.
You said that “many of them are happy to mimic those lies right back, in the hope of pulling others off the actual Bridge.”
I’ve seen some of that and they all just sound like brainwashed cult members thinking if they say these things enough, they will come true.
Its kind of pitiful, really.
Obviously – from all his actions – the last thing Rathbun wants is to “take the practice of pure Scientology into the future.”
Yes, his bastardization of the tech is enough to know him by, but his connections to people who would eliminate Scientology in a flash if they had the chance is really all you need to know. This is the opposite of what LRH intended and wrote about in virtually everything he wrote.
rathbuns whole act of being a high priest while pretending he’s not trying to be a high priest is just as soggy and tired of his act that he’s pro LRH. what you see with rathbun is never what you get except when he goes off on someone and sprays them with a water hose or has to restrain himself from choking them.
“many of them are happy to mimic those lies right back”?
sorry vince, but you make it sound like there are a lot more than there are. don’t let the pr fool you.
Rathbun’s a criminal mind who will always accuse others of what he’s doing. So when you hear him slamming other people as “LRH haters” you know you have your finger on him.
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I think you said it in the last paragraph – marty is a rockslammer, and that would be a good test. Put him on a meter and assess list one.
That’s your best point: the only indication the he’s on Source or pro-LRH is him saying so, or perhaps attacking others for not being so. It’s just words with Marty.
Somebody said a year ago that Marty things words are solid objects or some such, and I keep thinking of that when I hear what he says. He thinks they are reality.
It’s all about trying to pull others off the Bridge. That’s what the whole big pro-lrh show is about. people who fall for it deserve the tech they get.
It’s just ridiculous the things that rathbun tries to pass off as “standard.” He never could do a proper course (which LRH spent decades putting in place) and sure as hell can’t get any training going.
You’d be in much more expert hands with a decent book one auditor.
It’s all smoke and mirrors intended to impress the gullible.
Anyone with any savvy can see that Rathbun and friends are anti-KSW zealots. Just look at what they do, or read reports of it and you can see on the surface of it that they treat the whole issue like a vampire treats garlic…and believe me they know that.
The people in Rathbun’s immediate circle even spent a lot of time debating which points of KSW to keep, which didn’t actually apply to what they’re doing, etc. In the middle of this, any and all “disagreements” with the tech were fully entertained.
Obviously, no decisive conclusions were made (indecision ran wild) and it was every man for himself.
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They could all have saved themselves a lot of significant debate by clearing misunderstoods instead.
It is a characteristic of squirrels that they feel “Free!Free!” to pick and choose from the tech like it’s a smorgasbord. It’s always been that way.
When you start down that path, it’s easy to get into quickies, skipped processes, “streamlined” OT processes, etc.
“caveat emptor” indeed.
He’s definitely pertinacious in defending his follies. At least he is when he’s not just ignoring them and saying “oh, look over here instead.”
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Your point is good. He has to have others forwarding his facade in order to maintain it at all, it’s that transparent.
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I’ll have to go re-read Chaucer now, thanks a lot.
The best Rathbun can come up with re LRH is that he was a “good guy” and a “real guy.” That’s his left-handed way of saying he didn’t do anything Marty could have done, so Marty’s free to be a Source in his own right.
The dude is certifyable.
It is very simple for the Germans. Any ally of Caberta is NOT an ally of LRH. If you lived here you would know this. When you mention LRH around her she goes into a visible fit. You do not need to see a meter to know she is a rockslammer.
I didn’t know his squirreling was so deep, I just know that if it’s an attack on Scientology, Rathbun is involved and supports it. Every one of those I’ve seen also attacks LRH as a person and as the Founder and mocks the Tech.
So where the hell can Rathbun get off saying he’s pro LRH?
Those people who hang around with him can’t really believe that.
True. It’s only those who will support any attack whatsoever who don’t think he’s a lying creep. All of the ones I’ve read don’t trust him as far as they could throw him, and many think that he’s just playing this stupid game to try to take over the Church itself. Like he would ever stand a chance of that.
All hat and no cattle, as they say down his way.
Rathbun has whistled past the graveyard of each of his failed cycles of action for a long time.
We see it, but he’s given a big pass by those around him who want him to continue to take point and keep attacking.
Anyone with clear eyeballs can see he’s a liar and failure.
That’s funny. On the surface he compares himself to great men (Martin Luther, MLK, etc) but underneath he follows the tech of Goebels.
Actually, on the surface, he’s an outright LRH hater or he wouldn’t let his name and quotes appear alongside the tripe put out by ortega, wright, tobin etc.
Actually if you look around and read what’s being said, a lot of the squirrels are “re-examining” LRH’s role in the Tech. No joke.
And the ones that claim they’re faithful to his legacy are amazinly covert in circumventing his policies.
You would think none of them every duplicated SP/PTS tech, as you can spot it in their midst, just looking from a distance.
Seriously, isn’t it just a small handful of people who buy into Rathbun’s stupid ploy? From what I’ve seen, they are each people who blew themselves off lines anyway and don’t have anything else to do or anywhere else to go. They already failed to go up the Bridge at their own hands.
I think you’re right, and it’s just a bad attempt to get people to mimic them. (while making money at it in a very out-exchange way.)
It is true. He is not connected with people trying to push LRH up, but those trying to push LRH down.
It’s been a dwindling population for a good while now. Especially since the Caberta trip. People just kind of started fading away after that because as Vince pointed out, Marty started showing his true colors.
But that hasn’t stopped him from raising this false flag again and again.
Words are definitely strong enough to hurt him, and are what he fears. This is why he hurls them himself, thinking that’s what his “enemies” fear.
He actually feels somatics at words.
Just based on what I’ve seen Rathbun say on his blog about various tech points, if he were auditing under me, he’d be pulled off lines and thrown into Qual. I wouldn’t let him near a PC with a 10-foot pole.
I’d use proper lines, but I’m just about dead certain he’d have all his certs stripped (if he had ever had any) and done a retrain at least. More likely we would find things in his PC’s that would mean major Ethics handling.
But that’s all moot because he never did formally train, and has no business doing what he says he’s doing anyway.
if you notice the guy who said that about his conceptual understanding, he is swimming in mu’s and not just because english isn’t his native language. he’s another of those slick guys who thinks talking the talk is walking the walk.
I’m sure some of those he’s declared “OT” who are now falling on their faces are becoming aware of that.
I say count on it. And middle class PTS fits right along with that.
I saw that and had to pick my jaw up off the floor. Rathbun criticizing someone for being an LRH hater, while he supports and cavorts with Bunker, Ortega, Caberta and so on.
Rat’s inability to see himself is truly stunning.
he is merely a mean little man surrounded by a small group of gleefully individuated squirrels for whom Scientology and it’s technical processes are toys to be played with in whatever sensational hit-or-miss manner they please…
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I think your right on this and just shouting and squawking doesn’t change that. It just keeps him attracting crazies and people who just gave up anyway, so they squirrel and hope that will get them somewhere. It never occurs to them to do a full ethics clean up so they can get the gain.
Thanks, corny ruse could be the title of the blog post, that’s all it is.
I could be wrong, but I think Rathbun might just be smart enough to actually duplicate LRH tech if he were so inclined. I think is intention is to make sure people don’t get LRH tech, by making them think his version of things is “standard.”
It really is corny when you look at his real world actions.
And he whistles past the graveyard of how absurd it is to make people think he is pro-LRH given all the LRH attacks he’s been party to.
Hasn’t he just indicated that he wants to bring the Church down entirely and supplant it with everyone scattered applying things as they want?
They are one of the best examples of contrary facts I’ve ever seen.
Touché !
Only other squirrels or wannabe squirrels would fall for it, and you would have to have a lot of overts of your own along that line to fall for it.
This is true, and the absurd part of it is that they are trying to assert that they are not squirrels. That’s what is so corny about it, as Sharpe said.
I don’t really know the proper lines, but it seems to me he’d just be yanked and sent to the RPF after a hearing that would be incredibly brief. I mean his violations of the tech aren’t subtle and he’s pretty defiant about the squirrelly things he does.
That’s actually Rathbun’s idea of being a clever propagandist, damning with faint praise. It’s definitely another covert way to slam LRH on Rathbun’s part.
It’s the same here by anyone who is informed. Rathbun’s minions have to work really hard to not-is the fact she’s one of the worst LRH haters on the planet, and Rathbun’s soulmate.
For my money, they’re in on the charade.
His squirrelling is much deeper than you see in the article. It didn’t mention how so many of his “products” have been blown as far off the Bridge as they can get.
Your perception of the attack article and Rathbun’s support is a good one. Validate yourself for that.
Wow. It is pretty difficult to play a hypothetical with a certifiable whack job. Which things are we supposed to ignore? Nearly murdering someone in a fit of rage? Mingling with vocal enemies?
I’d love to be the background chorus on this song.
Mean Little Man, Mean Little Man
Small Group, Small Group.
Individuated Suirrrrrels.
SenSenSensational hit-or-miss
Attracting Crazies
People Who Just Gave Up
It Never Occurs to Them, Oh de do dah day.
“You would think none of them every duplicated SP/PTS tech, as you can spot it in their midst, just looking from a distance.”
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Think and duplicated being the operative words here. They obviously can come close to realizing what the tech means in these situations or their heads would explode. One whisper of truth and they would get their wish of turning into cinder so they can start again.
You’ve got it exactly right. Not surprising that they are wandering farther and farther from the scam party line – pretty soon LRH will just be some guy that Rathbun also reads and messes with as he pontificates about Teilhard de Chardin and J. Krishnamurti. Then they’ll start squirreling that.
Perhaps they even get a cut of the money. But they really haven’t been to good at sucking in new suckers. Everyone must have heard how bad he treats people and how many get very freakin’ twisted…exactly as LRH says they will when someone is using the tech for weird purposes.
Clearing words? Isn’t that just an option in the Rathbun world? What if they run across a word like squirrel or suppressive act?
It is fascinating how anyone could believe differently. They would have to have blinders on of such magnitude that they couldn’t keep their head up. And here is our Courseroom, Rathbun would say. We keep that tech in just like LRH says…you know that 50% of the gains are in the course room! And here is Qual. Staff must all be away at a briefing.
Don’t forget the out and out theft and fraud aspect. First, using a very valuable name like LRH’s. It means something, it carries the connotation of a workable system when applied correctly. They aren’t applying it correctly so they are sullying the name that they are stealing to use.
Owwww, excellent pick-up. It is so obvious by his rants are always a response to something he did wrong. He can’t take it when it is dished back to him because of the sting he has tried to deliver comes back at him!
What a waste Rathbun is, putting people through this criminal stuff. For what? Because he can’t confront doing things the right way? All this is easier than clearing a few words Rathbun?
Thanks for reminding me of that. I never had a doubt of it since that is what it seems. But it is good to hear someone else’s observation.
Amazing how you have described the common clown act of the time that Rathbun was growing up.
The last thing Rathbun wants…now there is a list.
I’d say the biggest read would be on ‘being found out’. Knowing, that would certainly read big. Knowing how to know…I guess you are right…learning Scientology correctly would scare the living daylights out of him.
You are so right. They are all like brainwashed little zombies who are so upset that they couldn’t make it in the big time. Rathbun’s Rants, I call them.
Truly insane, by any measure. It is as if he is trying to pretend that he has sectioned one side of his mind that crassly blows all of LRH tech out of his actions, and another side that can’t see these horrors like an innocent kid.
Jeez Philo, why read Chaucer and subject yourself to some real quality writing and thinking?! Just follow The Rat’s lead and read Psychology Today.
Rathbun is as transparent in his alleged claim to be an LRH supporter as someone who, in 1944, claimed to be a Churchill supporter and argued the case that the best way to demonstrate that support would be to capitulate to the Germans. Only warped minds can follow the logic and support such asininity and fortunately they are in the vast minority.
There is another sentiment too that goes along with him that I am finding more and more of. And that is that most I talk to are actually glad that he has helped certain people show their true colors and leave.
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Here in the UK the people that have joined him can be counted on the fingers of two hands: and they are, one for one, the losers, perverts, do-nothings and hangers-on that everyone else is glad to see leave.
And he certainly wasn’t very adept at hiding that!
Thanks, I didn’t realize we were so lyrical!
he was sent to the rpf for some of those things, but it didn’t take.
It sounds like you have met him (I know him) but you are certainly right. He has been part of a family of apostates who are full of misunderstandings. Of course there is much they withhold also.
He has fallen in with some natural squirrels in Italy who want to have nothing to do with ethics. They have all blown off lines because of ethics. If you look at them you will see that all have in common their out-exchange, and want everything for nothing. Now they are trying to make money out of a cheap imitation of the TEch. Good luck when you have Rathbun coaching you. The real problem is that they will spread their twisted tech to others.
Well, sort of. Applying things as he interprets them. As long as he can be seen to be source on any “wins” and viewed as a central High-Priest type or opinion leader, they appear to be free to apply it however they want.
I say they each know and are hard at work withholding and justifying those things they need to clean up. They’re in so deep that the criticisms they come up with as justifiers have become totally real and true to them. What’s never occurred to them is that their mind would change completely with a full clean up, and all those seeming wrongnesses would fade.
‘common clown’ is a good way to describe it. It’s a good phrase to keep in mind when you look at videos like the one at the top of the blog.
Marty’s “conceptual understanding” does not include the ability to apply to see that it works. This is why he’s out there seeking confirmation of the Tech by seeing whether or not psychologists approve, or are “catching up” with LRH.
He probably just makes up that he reads more than a few headlines and pull quotes from Psychology Today as well. There is no reason to believe him when he pretends to quote or know anything. He didn’t for Scientology, which he at one time tried to dedicate his life to, so he won’t during this make-wrong-quest. Everything he says is a lie.
Excellent point Mark. This same thing happened in the States as well, with plenty of people holding Roosevelt off while selling oil and other supplies to the Germans. When we were kids they told us that it was because of the large German immigrant population (of which my family was.) Now we know it was just about the money and the desire to keep people down. Rathbun exploits the same style of lies for the same purpose(s).
I knew Rathbun from right around the time he first came into Scientology. Seeing where he’s gotten to now, I can see how he never got LRH Tech, except to talk about it with huge glibness. It’s like the part of KSW that says “when people can’t get results from what they think is standard practice, they can be counted on to squirrel to some degree.” People around and under him knew he couldn’t do admin right, because he was so damn arbitrary and just forced things down your throat. I don’t know why anyone ever though he would do tech right.
O boy o boy o boy. All those years practicing and I finally will get to put the practice with the thurible will get me a place in the Marty Rathbun New KnowNothing Services. I have gotta find my chanting exercise books.
its a real good description of the scene, judy. only it’s worse than that and its real anything-goes under the surface.
You’re being very gentlemanly about the whole thing, but it is moot. You’re overlooking what we know now about Rathbun and his squirrelling, and just the fact alone that he has run upper level processes on lower level PC’s is enough to banish him to some lonely asteroid.
The rules are all off for Marty and everything is on the table for him to use or not use. People think he is just discarding anything the Church stands for or says or practices. The truth is he’s discarding anything and everything LRH stands for or said or built. It’s all open territory for rathbun as a new ‘source’.
Great point, and that is what you see here, too. There are some who seemed just kind of blah and who just faded away for a long time of their own accord. Now it turns out they faded away because they didn’t get gain and agree with the enemy lines Rathbun propagates.
In any event, it does have that unexpected benefit of gathering the apostates into the open, instead of hiding among us and pretending.
I am quite willing to exaggerate and make fun of anything that Rathbun does or says. But when he says that he is a supporter of LRH, that is such a wild exaggeration that it can’t be stretched out any further. Sorry for my incapability in the face of the Mighty Marty Lie.
No they haven’t been good at drawing in new suckers, and how could they? If one was considering Scientology, he certainly wouldn’t attach himself to a bunch of contentious malcontents, and I’m convinced that’s how they come across to “new” people.
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All they can do is hope to draw off the weak and infirm from the existing pack, like the scavengers they are. I won’t grace them with the term “predators” because it implies too much cause. Think buzzards.
There’s also the fact that the whole thing is an act, meant to be viewed by the gullible. There is no true desire to practice the religion or philosophy that I can see, just the desire to create the image of that so they will be believed.
Then, the intention is to bring the tech and philosophy into such disrepute that it keeps people from getting on the bridge in the first place.
Then, they can all feel “safer.”
Oh, he’s just curious to see if they’re “catching up” with LRH. (wink, wink)
Real believable, Marty.
rathbun just thinks he’s being really daring, eating forbidden fruit.
next we’ll see him trying to compare himself to Adam.
Actually, I will. I haven’t read him since my student days, and have meant to re-read since I read Zelazny (Amber especially) and saw him declare he had been Chaucer in another life.
If any author could get away with that, Zelazny could. The parallels are there.
In effect, yes. What he really wants to do is disperse and degrade the tech and ultimately cause its disuse.
I think Buddha still has an APB out on characters like Rathbun.
You will never hear him say he was wrong or he screwed up. It’s just not in his constitution.
Even the arrest during his honeymoon he blamed on other people and other factors. He never took responsibility for having been a screw up.
The whole family has a history to out exchange. It comes from the father.
What’s really amusing is Rathbun trying to cover the obvious contrary facts of his association with the likes of Bunker and Caberta.
He goes through verbal gymnastics to try to convince people they’re not actually anti-LRH and anti-Scientology, and it’s one of the more laughable things he’s done.
It’s like trying to convince people that carnivores don’t really eat meat, but he still tries it, and apparently a few hardcore types like Logan let him get away with it.
Maybe he could read about paranoid schizophrenics in Psychology Today. It might help.
Or maybe just like a Criminal Mind who can’t keep track of all his lies.
It is a covert slam, and I wince every time I see him talk about LRH. There’s always going to be a twist on it. When it isn’t soft sell, it’s covert inval, but it’s anything but a certainty that people can gain from the truths.
“there is much they withhold also” – You can’t say it any better than that Brio. Thanks.
Lol. Wonder why.
You’re right, and I’ll look for it. Maybe not, though…was Adam a victim?
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“rathbun just thinks he’s being really daring, eating forbidden fruit.
next we’ll see him trying to compare himself to Adam.”
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Ah! a fresh bit of humor flowing in on the summerwind. Nice.
Oh, sorry summerwind. Even though that brought a smile to my face, you actually couldn’t be more right. Hmmm. Serious Rathbun Humor.
Right!!! And the ridiculous story about how he wanted to get caught and some full Rathbun BS about wanting to be able to minister to the heathens in the pen. Rathbun is as legit as the spit he drools on the floor.
LRH talked about this, didn’t he. He predicted that we would have to be aware that there would be losers like Rathbun who would try to twist things around, mixing other practices into the well honed system. Rathbun is so very predictable.
Yes indeed. The Rathbun crowd got ahold of the simplicity and meaning of what he spoke of and did as well. B*stards.
I have gone back and forth on this question. In the end, I don’t think that Rathbun was ever that clever, but rather had good dodging and blame instincts. However clever he was though, now he is so very loaded down with the tragic mass of the dramas and justifications and false motivations for all the anti-social acts he has committed – he is very very screwed up and couldn’t clever himself out of a smelly toilet.
It is no wonder that ‘apostate’ has such a negative connotation when there are people like Rathbun about. It is one thing to say that you can’t keep up the pace or, as Rathbun did, say that I’m too short on training, imagination and morals to do my job without screwing things up. It is another to slither out in disgrace and announce yourself as the Messiah, while proceeding to align with all the long-discredited long knives seeking complete destruction of the group that the Messiah is supposedly going to save. But you don’t have to be sane to be a Rathbun or to get publicity in an insane world.
I would love to hear that story, since to know a Rathbun in the future it would be good to understand the extent of his slime in the present. Notwithstanding, the Rathbun’s incompetence and lack of training, perspective and self-inspection, his constancy of abuse (mental and physical) and all the actions that show his complete inability to control anything…most importantly, to control the cycle of justifications and anti-social make wrongs that his compulsions dictate to him.
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Well summerwind, he is now trying to pretend that he is an auditor. He can’t differentiate between someone who uses a meter and the tech standardly to produce exact results, and someone (him) who uses a meter as a prop and who changes the tech with the purpose of spinning people in.
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We always said he wasn’t the sharpest tool in the box, but it seems he doesn’t even have an edge that a myopic moron could mistake for something that could cut.
“I didn’t understand how Rathbun could commit such gross auditing errors and try to call it “standard.””
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He didn’t understand either.
“and just the fact alone that he has run upper level processes on lower level PC’s is enough to banish him to some lonely asteroid.”
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Right, when this fact came to light it was all that needed to be known to prevent this guy from coming near a pc again.
OK – no idea what you are talking about, but have fun. Gotta be better than reading The Rat!
Now that was a laugh! He blamed loads of things but what made me laugh the hardest was that he blamed the alcohol for getting him drunk. He really is a genius at seeing cause and effect!
Yep. And if nothing else, history (of which Rathbun is so fond) will show him in his true colors. Rathun wants his place in history, and there is no denying that more people know the name of Judas than know the rest of disciple names.
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It reminds me of the line in JC Superstar where it says “You’ll be remembered forever for this,” in regards to Judas’s treason.
I don’t think he’ll even get that wish and be remembered for anything. He is just another squirrel among many squirrels and has nothing to make him really stand out amongst even that pathetic mob when viewed by future people studying Scientology history. Sure, there will be a handful of people who will know of him, just as there are only a handful of people now who know about Jack Horner or Harvey Haber, much less The Rat’s idol Mayo. But The Rat will never achieve the immortal status that an SP like Judas achieved. It’s just a pipe dream he has.
I’d prefer to think that, just as Judas provided the vehicle for the rest of the Jesus story to unfold, that Rathbun provides us with the lesson that we’ll long remember: Always be vigilant, or things like Rathbun will stumble into your path and surreptitiously try to destroy the Bridge that you’re on.
This is all moot really. Rat has thrown so many ser facs up in front of him that he cannot see through them to obnose reality. The world, texts, pictures, light etc he looks at is all colored and twisted by the mechanisms he has put between what he is trying to look at and himself. He probably does duplicate what he receives – it’s just that what he receives is warped and hence it is moot whether he duplicates or not.
Beautifully put!
“The two things are mutually exclusive, and anyone who had even a decent “conceptual understanding of the philosophy” would see that plain as day.”
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Your point is proven by the fact that most people who run across Rathbun, or any of his cronies, give him a wide berth and will have nothing to do with him. His recruitment stats clearly show that the only people he attracts do NOT have a decent understanding of the philosophy, as eviodenced b the things they motivate on and natter about, and the ‘cognitions’ they have.
The answer to that is in KSW 1.
“When people can’t get results from WHAT THEY THINK is standard practice, they can be counted upon to squirrel to some degree.”
That is partly why it was so upsetting to read Marty comparing himself with Gandhi and Luther. It reminds me that I think of the Rat as Gumbi and Lex Luthor.
Convince who of what, really. The media is very hard up for scandal, same as it ever was. Only now there is no test pattern and there are 100 times the channels trying to fill every waking minute, plus their websites, plus their investors wallets. There are those who buy into scandalous nonsense to fill their vapid life and will do so until they decide to be unvapid and decide to overcome the compulsions that complicate their lives. Then there are those who tried to reach but couldn’t keep their morals on. Rathbun isn’t capable of reaching anyone but the latter, and even those seem to talk behind his back. His downward spiral tightens.
If they have faces left…
It would be unrealistic for him to call it anything else. He has to lie. He has to act like he has no choice.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to imagine that he was competent and capable of carrying through a cycle of action to completion? He can’t create, he can’t even destroy. If he weren’t such a putz I would think that he deserved some sympathy…or maybe he does.
So very true, all of what you say. Marty can’t disguise the ruse except by being more symbolically stupid every day.
What a coincidence! You don’t think that he is trying to suppress people do you?
It kinda hasta be anything goes, doesn’t it. Otherwise they are in a trap of picking and choosing between right and wrong, and heavens know they can’t be expected to do that.
Bringing up Italy is a wonderful example though. Marty and the henchmen are terribly individuated and can’t identify or have real affinity for anyone. It is just the scam and it is exactly the opposite of what goes on in the community. So many great Scientology orgs and so many great Scientologists studying and doing things in Italy. In fact, wow. That is going on all over the world and the rat and friends can’t really do anything in reality or in comparison with that.
Excellent quote Carlos. Excellent point as well.
What Marty really wants is to make the practice of true Scientology a thing of the past not, as he claims, a thing of the future.
He is like Adam only in that his lies are naked to the world.
Good one
Having just re-read KSW for the nth time I am yet again amazed at LRH’s precision with which he warns about people like Marty Rathbun. He describes Marty perfectly – why he squirrels, what he will do, what his intentions are and what his end game is. Marty must read the issue himself daily and plan his actions to coincide with his predicted behavior.
And that kind of brings it back to the point that was made earlier which is that all he is managing to do is collect up the out-ethics and scum into a pile of sweepings and park them in a corner. It’s better than having the dirt scattered all over the place.
That is a good point, and it shows a lot about The Rat. LRH has often said that truths exist in many places, but that they are surrounded by a sea of untruths. Putting Scientology together involved finding the gems and leaving all the rubble where it was. The Rat is trying to do a reverse engineering job on Scientology, saying that because a gem was found in a particular pile of rubble, that rubble must now also be gems. It is just pure A=A=A and shows that he has a complete inability to tell the difference between a diamond and pebble. That is the way the bank works.
You have them correctly sussed out there. Every post I have seen from Marty and every comment on the site is always an attempt to justify their out-ethics in some way. I have never seen any of them ever take real responsibility for anything that happened to them. The entire flow of their comm is to shift blame and make it OK to be a victim, and behind that is the desire to destroy the truth and Scientology.
Great comment DFG. It’s a well known fact that he supports LRH haters, but looking at the flip side – i.e. that despite what he says he doesn’t in fact support LRH supporters – shows his compulsions in a new way. When the bio came out, along with all the work done to recover the LRH images and docs and so on, he had not a positive word to say about the massive effort involved and the great product achieved. To me that said everything. He can’t even, begrudgingly, acknowledge anything good that ‘the enemy’ does. He has no pan determinism at all, no human virtues, no ability to even pretend to have a balanced view, let alone have one.
It’s more than a few words Christine. Perhaps there is some crashing mu that would suddenly shine light for him if discovered and handled, but I honestly doubt it. He has many – thetan, solver, truth, responsibility, suppressive, ethics, dynamics, cause, effect, ARC, KRC, . . . By his actions and his ramblings one can see where he has completely missed the boat. By his own admission, he is a terrible student and that is because he studied through a veritable fog of mus. Word clearing this guy would take a life time, and anyone trying would have to do it while wearing a stab vest and make sure they never turned their back on him.
Good point. I have always said that The Rat was only in it for the money, and that has been proven time and again. Without Scientology and LRH The Rat would have nothing and be nothing. Without them all he is truly capable of is mopping floors. He does what he does against Scientology because that is the only way he can keep himself alive. The biological term for him is Parasite – something that lives off it’s host for its benefit and the hosts detriment.
What a concept. The Cognitions of a MartyMouse. Everything must go through a filter of “I can PROVE THEM WRONG by …” and “I can PROVE ME RIGHT by …”. Looking for life philosophy from a 6 year old would be more cohesive and inspiring.
There is probably a group of buzzards learning how to type so that they can respond to your note in protest to being compared to the acidic slime that is Rathbun and his associated deadbeats.
…because he can’t be wrong? and can only focus on proving others wrong?
Look up Roger Zelazny the author of the Amber Series of novels. In his bio it mentions that he was Chaucer in another life.
(I highly recommend the novels as well.)
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