Marty Rathbun: Altering Everything
What’s behind Marty Rathbun’s daily program of efforts to destroy the Church of Scientology?
People frequently ask here why can’t Marty Rathbun get anything straight? Why does Rathbun misrepresent the most benign efforts of Scientologists and the most pro-survival actions of thousands of good people – including Church management – every chance he gets?
Why must Marty Rathbun put a suppressive twist on his every utterance about Scientology?
In a 1959 lecture, LRH described the phenomenon in which Marty Rathbun is stuck:
“The basis of destruction is Alter-isness. And when somebody would like to destroy you, but can’t, all he can do is alter-is you.”
“…we see this in various ways. Entheta, you see. Here’s an auditor sitting in an area doing all right. Some other auditor isn’t doing all right, so they start accumulating overts against this auditor that is doing all right. The next thing you know, the person committing the overts gets madder and madder at the auditor. This fellow has never done anything, you understand, to this other guy. Maybe even sent him some pcs. And the more that B does to A, the more overts, overts, overts pile up into the more anger, anger, anger. You got the idea? It’s a one-man fight. There’s no other fight going on over here, see?”
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“Boy, it begins to look like a cyclone is happening in this vicinity. This fellow goes to bed at night and bites the pillow, you know, and screams to himself, you know. And while auditing a pc or something like that — lets out little yips occasionally. And this is Alter-isness.
Destruction as we know it, in war or in anything else, is simply Alter-isness of the creation. It is not the cessation of creation — it is the Alter-isness of the existing creation.
But Alter-isness — Alter-isness is the keynote of all destruction.
And any person who has a great many overts against another person starts trying to alter-is. Get the idea? He starts to alter-is the other person. He alter-ises anything the other person is doing. You see? He alter-ises anything the other person thinks. He alter-ises any other thing the other person has as a reputation and so on. And it adds up to basically what looks like destruction. And this basically is caused or can be caused by no more than an overt. In other words, you get this silly situation where one overt breeds another overt, which breeds another overt, which breeds another overt, which brings about a bad opinion.”
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18-Nov-1959
This quote from LRH clearly points out that you just can’t trust anything Rathbun says. You see what’s beneath his frantic efforts to alter the truth. You see where his “bad opinions” come from.
Rathbun has gone way past the point where he is able to do anything but destroy those against whom he has the greatest number of overts.
Wonder no more as to why Marty Rathbun issues a daily digest of lies and alterations, or what his real purpose is.
“What’s behind Marty Rathbun’s daily program of efforts to destroy the Church of Scientology?”
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Thanks for the article, Vince. I think its summed up in this part of the LRH quote, “It’s a one-man fight.”
It is difficult to summarize the Rathbun problems, but you can sure see that aspect to him. We continue to grow in futures and current effectiveness, while he becomes smaller and smaller as a being and in reach.
That has to drive Rathbun nuts when you think about it. Not that I am all that sympathetic about him, but he knows he’s not getting any better no matter what processes he pulls out and audits on himself. It’s probably also why he’s looking to other practices and philosophies to try and get better, but the best he can do is wallow in spiritual aphorisms. All because he’s stuck in alter-is and can’t really get gain.
He is also putting on a big show of doing things like “delivering.”
I think a lot of those aphorisms work their way into his “processing.”
I think Rathbun is pleased to validate others who are off the bridge, out of Scn, and into other practices that aren’t workable. Hence his embrace of everything from Confucius to gangsta rap for “inspiration”.
I really don’t think he’s every gotten any better, either. He probably got to a point where he felt he had to stop others too. He sure seems to be dramatizing that. You know the weird stuff he delivers is totally altered tech, and he has one out-basic after another (like no exams etc) but still acts like it’s Scientology.
Exactly right Kahn. No way around the fact that if Rathbun weren’t playing on his only disheveled pre-psychotic break relationship with Scientology, he would be even further from the nowhere that he is today. He didn’t understand it before he strangled Rinder and he certainly doesn’t understand more than a couple things about Scientology today.
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The one thing that he does understand about Scientology – and the reason he has the overwhelming compulsion to do harm to the Church – is that we know about him.
“He didn’t understand it before he strangled Rinder and he certainly doesn’t understand more than a couple things about Scientology today.”
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You make great points Christine. But you didn’t say one important thing – Whatever it is that Marty is “delivering” or talking about, they don’t have anything to do with Scientology. Scientology is a cohesive set of philosophy and actions that can’t be ripped apart and partially used. To do so is not Scientology. Just because Marty Mark Rathbun uses a glass for his Jack and Scientologist use a glass to drink juice and water from doesn’t mean that we are in any way alike. Same goes for the methods we use and the methods of Marty’s madness.
Sadly, you’re right. Also sadly, he’s found some similar others to gang together with, stuck in their own one-man fights.
They all have their own little one man fights going on, and look to each other for endorsement while closing their eyes and minds to the real facts. I read a comment by one a day or two ago who quite genuinely (or so he would have one believe) thought that the Church was not making Clears any more, which is what underpinned his justifications for committing suppressive acts. How blind can one get? In the UK alone the AO made over 100 Clears last year. It is as LRH says in the quotes above – overts piling up and alter-is.
I didn’t see that, but he was probably invalidating the state of Clear. That’s one major way Rathbun (and his choir) try to explain away the Church’s products.
It’s common among those who failed to achieve Clear themselves.
And among those who are trying to direct people away from Clear, which is Rathbun’s real intention anyway. It fits with the LRH quote here. It’s alter-is as a way to destroy.
It’s a dramatization of trying to pull people off the Bridge, no less.
That’s probably the best way Rathbun can think of to “destroy.”
That’s a good point, and one of the tricks used by Rathbun and other squirrels repeatedly. They’ve been doing that for a long time. It all just comes down to invalidation, (but it’s an alter-is as an effort to destroy, as we see here.)
Every Church product is invalidated, from social betterment products to individual Bridge completions. One of my favorites is how the failed cases -failed due to their own M/U’s and out-ethics scenes – come forth and talk about how the tech failed them as a way to invalidate Church products. Their co-natterers all stand up and salute, and none of them even notice the outpoint.
“Every Church product is invalidated, from social betterment products to individual Bridge completions.”
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It is very telling when critics are so polarized that nothing done by the Church is seen as positive. It confirms an unthinking negative bias.
There are an alarming number or percentage of people who believe what they read on the internet. Rathbun counts on that, which is why he persists in doing what he’s doing. That person never actually looked for himself, but believed the criticisms he read most likely.
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While Rathbun himself is the king of the “not-quite bright,” he knowingly tries to take advantage of the field on not-quite-brights he can reach to spread his campaign to become a cult leader.
Marty is so wonderfully incompetent though. I’d make a list of all his problems but I’d hate to give him any hints of what he should be doing.
Philo, you are right about some people just believing Marty’s rubbish on the internet rather than looking and seeing what is actually happening. The Church is doing great ever since he and those of his ilk left. And every time another SP leaves, it does better – and people who have been off lines for ages get back on board.
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Case in point. Below are excerpts from an email I received today. It’s author is a young guy who was hardly a Scientologist at all, and hardly ever on lines. He was revitalized by one of the Idea Org events 6 months ago and is now back on lines and really winning. He says it best.
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“I would like to offer you a “Call to Arms”. Last year we made 102 clears at Saint Hill, that’s 5.4X the number of Clears in 2005. The effort we have put in over the last five or so years is making a huge difference! I love the fact that when I am at Saint Hill now I struggle to find a seat at dinner or lunch time in the refectory we are expanding and that is plain to see. And we must continue to push on and expand further.
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“I have spent the last six months working religiously on Ideal Org projects and have also moved up three statuses and am proud to be on the Ideal Org Honor Roll. It is a cliche but the more you contribute on the 3rd and 4th dynamic the better you do across all of your dynamics. I am only telling you this because, six months ago that wasn’t real to me in the slightest. How could my life improve across all dynamics if I gave my time and money up to something else other than my own immediate bills, costs and problems etc.
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“Six months later the consideration that contributing on the third and fourth dynamic helps all dynamics is as real to me as the datum that outflow equals inflow.
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“So I implore you to get on board and contribute financially or with your time. You will thank yourself one day if you do.
You know that posting things like this isn’t cynical enough for Rathbun and friends. The shoulder-to-shoulder effort that most of us are pushing drives them nuts. They are where they are because they could not co-act with others without committing overts.
That is really a different view than those who just put out criticisms all day and are stuck on their 1st, and attacking the 3rd.
“How could my life improve across all dynamics if I gave my time and money up to something else other than my own immediate bills, costs and problems etc.”
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Great letter Reginald. Obviously, this is something that a Martybot wouldn’t understand. Saying that they are a bunch of Only-Ones only partly explains it. Saying that they are so full wondering who knows about their own anti-social acts only tells part of the story. Saying that their constant compulsion to think of justifications lest anyone tell them that their actions are not OK, merely scratches the surface of all their internal woes. But add these up with a few other victim traits and you have a whole lot of people who will never know the joys that this person felt when going shoulder to shoulder with a crew of others to make an ideal place for themselves and thousands of future Scientologists.
“…While Rathbun himself is the king of the “not-quite bright,” he knowingly tries to take advantage of the field on not-quite-brights he can reach…”
But Rathbun considers himself an ubermensch. He wouldn’t say that, but it’s clear. The funny part is that he’s really not bright, but really thinks he is and acts it up. You can tell he works hard to develop his vocabulary and copy the intelligent-sounding thoughts and works of others.
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Some other commenter once said Rathbun has “delusions of literacy” and that stuck with me, and rings true when I read most things I see by him.
“While Rathbun himself is the king of the “not-quite bright,” he knowingly tries to take advantage of the field on not-quite-brights he can reach to spread his campaign to become a cult leader.”
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So he ends up with a lot of stupid recruits. That should keep him safe (he thinks).
that’s the whole ‘the church is not the church and scientology is not scientology’ method of trying to create a schism, trying to convince people that being suppressive is not really suppressive.
only those with enough overts or extremely low conditions could go for it.
Sounds like classic reversal of fact that lower tone levels use.
You don’t think that they could possibly be trapped by their compulsion to make others wrong and themselves right, regardless of the completely anti-social acts that they are continuously committing, do you?
It is, and I can see him biting his pillow at night, too. What a great image of Rathbun. Then he gets up and writes on his blog.
Every waking moment he has to be plotting another way to prove that his sickness is right.
Talk about a mission doomed to failure.
Talk about a full time job. If it paid overtime he’d be one rich psycho.
I would imagine that’s life as usual for Rathbun and he just views it like he’s being at cause. I mean that is what he does with his day, natter about the church and deliver some weird versions of auditing to someone for pocket money.
Biting the pillow is a good alternative to sleep. . . when you can’t sleep because of the pink elephants, and the snakes and the bugs that are coming through the walls at you.
This is a great quote (from the ACC’s I think) and totally applies to Rathbun. Once again you cut to the chase with him. The particulars of what Rathbun says don’t really matter any more, and I hope more people can see that.
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The only thing to know about Rathbun is that he is dedicated to destruction. While it’s not new news that Rathbun is seething with overts against decent people, it is important to know that he will always find something about the Church to attack. Knowing this, you can take whatever he says in it’s proper perspective, which is that it doesn’t matter what he says. You know what he’s trying to do.
“The particulars of what Rathbun says don’t really matter any more, and I hope more people can see that.”
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Totally agree. The only thing I see or remember from an exercise in ReadingRathbun is him screaming at me: “I am so desperate. I am so desperate. I am so desperate. I am so desperate. I am so desperate. I am so desperate. I am so desperate.”
He thinks he’s being coldly calculating and effective. Measured, of course, in inches of entheta in the VV and SP times.
It’s kind of sunk into a sad routine with him, hasn’t it. Crank out more bad news for Ortega and dig up a different failure and write about him from time to time. He just looks like he’s contracting again and again.
Spot on Christine. That is what I also get from him, more and more, as time goes by. My only wonder is the degree to which he can be desperate.
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I though he was pretty desperate when he somehow tried to make talking to fish something for which he should be hailed as a true leader and worshiped. Let me correct that – I didn’t think it was pretty desperate, I thought it could not get any more desperate. To me that was it.
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Obviously the Scale that desperate is on continues on downward to greater and greater desperation, as Marty is steadfastly trying to prove that he can extend the bottom of the scale infinitely.
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I watch him with some degree of wonder at what he can possibly dream up next, coupled with an increasing certainty that he, like a salmon, is heading back to his spawning ground to die – a psych hospital.
He just gives that image of chosen one, but he can’t help showing his psychotic side every other moment. Moment after moment he slips, and we get to see him. I bet he knows that his minions don’t notice because of their compulsions. But I bet he knows that we know at the same time.
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Poor Martyr.
Fish is one thing, but hooking up with Berry?? That’s pretty damn desperate, when you start co-acting with a proven loser and psychotic. And Bunker?? Now trying to “save” Scientology?
To me those were the death knells for Rathbun. He obviously realized he was just losing and had little left to lose by exposing his allegiance with them and Caberta who have all made it their goal to eliminate Scientology.
Still, the moron Rathbun tries to sell the idea of setting up a parallel church, “salvage the subject”, deliver the “tech,” and be pro-LRH.
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It takes a real special brand of stupid to believe what Rathbun puts forth.
I actually wouldn’t even wish that on Rathbun. There is tech to handle him if he would truly do A-E.
It might be one of the toughest in history, but it could be done. Maybe going off into a peaceful environment and stopping all the SP acts would be a good start.
Exactly- the particulars don’t matter. Only the fact of incessant alter/destroy is what is really going on.
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And the people who have driven themselves so far downscale as to align with him and his particulars have gotten themselves into a tailspin. They cannot see that there is no way to justify aligning with the worst LRH detractors available and still assert you want to “save” Scientology.
That’s really the big not-is on the line. Granted, quite a few are aware of this and have drifted away, but there are still fellow-SPs who pretend this makes sense.
I’m not stock-taker Sharpe, but I think it more than ‘quite a few’. The majority of the people who were attracted to Marty, like moths selecting a candle flame as a guiding light, have crashed and burned. The few distressed souls that are still fluttering around have had their wings so badly singed that they cannot fly straight even if they wanted to.
Nice analogy. That’s exactly what I get of those few beings who are left over. Except that they have no wings. They’re just wiggling little wormlettes.
What’s becoming clear is that the ones who are left are the ones openly dedicated to suppressive acts. It’s sort of distilling down to the hardcore SPs in a way. It really started with Caberta.
I think most of those know they are going nowhere, and don’t actually try to take services from marty. hence the drugs, alcohol, out-2d and all the coffee shop talk of tech. same as they always used to when they were pretending to be Scientologists.
Bad news all around for them.
Good point – talk about an alter-is! Imagine how far one has to go from Source to justify that one.
Far enough to become completely inverted, while thinking you’re right on track and seeing what’s really there.
Where these folks are heading there is no track.
Sharpe, while I imagine there may be some that disagree with what you say when you say, “it doesn’t matter what he says. You know what he’s trying to do.,” the fact is that the intention behind any comm is the real thing one should pay attention to.
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Your comment reminded me of what LRH has to say in SOS, under the chapter Handling of Truth.
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Good reference, but I think you’re shooting too high. Maybe on a social level that applies.
In reality, Rathbun is way below that and has no reaction at all.
The fact is that he has no traffic with truth, and no real recognition of it.
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If you watch what he says, again and again, you see that his idea of “truth” is carefully selected and assembled *apparencies* of time, place, form, event, presented to enturbulate.
And that’s at best.
At worst (and as usual) his handling of truth is just demagoguery designed to beef up peoples’ charge against Rathbun’s own imagined enemies.
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Also, note the Omitted Data when looking at the “truth” of what Rathbun reports or says. That tells you volumes about his failure to see truth.
well, one thing is for sure – he’s definitely below 2.0
On the face of it, Rathbun would seem 1.1 but I think he’s much much lower, like punishing bodies.
i’ve been trying to point this out before – Rathbun is an alter-is specialist. This is a great quote (I didn’t have this one) and LRH lays out the basics behind it as far as Rathbun is concerned.
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He alters what he reads, he alters the tech, he alters every report of every incident he talks about (even though he works overtime to make it sound like time, place, form, event it’s all an apparency.)
I personally know numerous things he’s talked about and how they were altered and often outright falsified…because I was there. I wouldn’t trust Rathbun as far as I could throw him, consequently.
I was there for a lot of the things he’s talked about, and know what you’re saying. Point is, he’s just gotten worse with it all. It’s like he’s frantic because no one is listening.
Desperate and frantic. Those two words fully sum him up!
I wasn’t around the guy, and I don’t think you need that to tell that he manufactures things. Just on the surface of it, you can see how he takes the most “benign efforts” as the essay says and twists them to turn them into entheta. It’s really corny for anyone who has been around.
You really see it in the way they begrudge money raised for the church, or FSMs trying to do their jobs, and things like that.
It’s just plain as day that Rathbun would destroy everything about Scientology if he could, and replace it with his weirdly interpreted version of it.
I see it in the contrary facts between the pictures he tries to paint of the Church in PT, and the reality of what I observe every day when I am on course, talking to staff, interacting with other public and disseminating. These are two very different universes and I know which one is real.
“He alters what he reads, he alters the tech, he alters every report of every incident he talks about (even though he works overtime to make it sound like time, place, form, event it’s all an apparency.)”
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He does have a problem with that, doesn’t he. So easy to see through as he always twists a little too much and always follows through with a bunch of make wrong and natter.
Wow, great LRH reference. I think I have that tape but haven’t gotten to it yet. This may sound very very basic, but it is widely applicable, thanks.
This is why Rathbun and all he mocks up persist, as I see it.
Nice – that definitely follows from the alter-is.
I don’t have to start admiring it just to make it go away, do I?
Good show, but you should point out that this is also the mechanism behind Rathbun never getting any case gain. He can’t look at anything head-on.
Wow. That is a brilliant assessment. Nice.
This is my point, also. Rathbun can’t as-is and he would have no “game” if he could. He would just have applied the tech to get better.
I believe he even admitted, in his more honest moments, that he had difficulty duplicating policy especially and perhaps tech also.
Now he has the same trouble, but he tries to hide it by mixing in little bon mots from other people he can’t understand.
rathbun filters his every observation through his hatred for being found out by the church.
and through the occlusion of his many overts. Looking through that filthy lens, it is impossible to see things in sharp detail, no matter how bright the lights illuminating the scene. You could line up the 100 Clears made by AOSH UK this year and have each of them tell Rat that they are delighted with what they have achieved, and he would deny that they existed at all or claim that he was looking at a flock of migrating geese. That’s the problem with overts – they muddy up one’s ability to see what is really there.
Plus it doesn’t fit his entheta narrative. The worst thing you can do to a liar is point out how he’s lying.
“…and through the occlusion of his many overts. Looking through that filthy lens, it is impossible to see things in sharp detail, no matter how bright the lights illuminating the scene.”
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Ah Reg. How wonderful you craft the words. Marty is the ultimate Panglossian, the best of all possible worlds on his side of the fence, the worst of all possible worlds where his compulsion lay like a cancer on his vision channels.
The insidious part of Rathbun’s rants is that he includes enough carefully-crafted alterations to make what he natters about sound realistic or ring true.
He’s really just feeding a motivator-hunger among those who are looking for these things.
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Unfortunately, he may catch some who have gotten caught up in a lower condition or a games condition with the Church and are looking for validation of their rightness. It’s a road to hell for them to buy into Rathbun’s altered reality.
But there we are. He has this huge potential crowd and he had some assets and he has failed one time after the next. He has built up nothing. He has failed. Every flurry is smaller, a mirror of himself.
Can I just add a little to the top line please?
“What’s behind Marty Rathbun’s daily program of efforts to destroy the Church of Scientology” and thereby scramble and obliterate all that LRH assembled, created, did or wrote about?
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It is unimaginable that a person who can’t and won’t and couldn’t use a C/S or set up Qual Division would set up an RTC to protect us all from scoundrels like him.
That’s the old fox guarding the henhouse routine.
THAT was the plan, yes? THAT is what Marty has completely failed at, yes? He said he would expose something, which has been true. He has exposed himself – for each public pronouncement he has merely held a mirror to himself and his previous acts and placed the blame on someone else. Or tried to anyway.
Rathbun – and a number of his friends – got blown out of the water by the shoulder-to-shoulder effort that COB called for and pushed. That was before Rat blew, and it really didn’t take long before their incessant alter-is/destroy was revealed and they had to depart.
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So here he is, now openly altering and trying to destroy. Who cares about personalities? Only Rathbun.
Just another of his compulsions, eh? Why can’t he have anything in the end? Why can’t he get anything accomplished even with all the 3% out there and the assets he used to have? It comes down to no being there – he has to fake the personality and worry about others who really have one.
This is really good. We’ve seen Rathbun’s hatred on video, barely suppressed. You can see he would destroy completely if he could. He has to restrain himself, or he’d end up in jail, so he goes back to his keyboard and issues all the alter-is he can.
The threat of jail is probably the only “ethics” pressure Rathbun recognizes.
The time before last when he was arrested, he said that the really liked all his inmates and had total reality with them all. Jail may not be a threat, but a last place of sanctuary for him – a retirement plan whereby he knows he will be fed and housed and allowed to rant to his heart’s content. It is where he is headed.
Great analysis. Hey Marty. We’ll send you notes in the slammer.
Methinks Rathbun knows he has done things he could be jailed for, which is why that ethics presence bites on him.
Maybe that is what is behind his hurried panic in his writing. He thinks that this will be his last post before he goes completely bonkers and loses his last ally.
“He has to restrain himself, or he’d end up in jail,…”
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And when he doesn’t he ends up there.
If you measure Rathbun’s O’s by the number of his “bad opinions” they would have to be just about uncountable.
Good point – there would usually be more than one O per bad opinion (the reference suggests many) and Rat has an almost infinite number of bad opinions so . . .
And lots of angst riding on each one.
With Rathbun and his failures, you’re you glad that infinity isn’t the last number you can count to.
This is great imagery by LRH, and it describes the Rathbun I’ve observed very well. All the noise is in his universe, while others go on their way. Jeez.
Marty has redefined absolute really. One never hears his name in any of the places I’ve been, except here. He has zero effect.
“In other words, you get this silly situation where one overt breeds another overt, which breeds another overt, which breeds another overt, which brings about a bad opinion.””
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that sure sounds like a good summation of rathbun’s operating basis. what a life.
It reminds me of a line in the Outlaw Josey Wales:
“Dyin’ ain’t much of a livin’, boy…”
Yet that is all that Marty has. We’ll probably see him merging that into his philosophy soon.
This is certainly applicable to Rathbun, but you are really ignoring a bunch of other people (dozens?) who are stuck in a similar situation. I’ve seen them posting on his blog. There’s a thing in the criminal mind issue about SPs gathering together, or criminals (same thing) associating, and there seem to be a real handful of them. Do you ever write about these guys anymore?
You’re right about the Criminal Mind HCOB:
“INDIVIDUALS WITH CRIMINAL MINDS TEND TO BAND TOGETHER SINCE THE PRESENCE OF OTHER CRIMINALS ABOUT THEM TENDS TO PROVE THEIR OWN DISTORTED IDEAS OF MAN IN GENERAL.”
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Also, there have been recent articles posted here about some of the other SPs that have linked up with Rathbun. There’s a list of articles on the right hand side of this page, and they go back pretty far.
They are all failed beings who are on their way out. Even so, they want to create an effect and they hope to find the most desirable particle of all: admiration. That is why they post so many weird viewpoints, conclusions, alter-is and plain old bullshit. They want to be admired. I know – you have to be pretty screwed up to seek admiration for suicide, but they are screwed up and that is what they want. Writing about, or acknowledging them, just feeds their fantasies and accomplishes nothing more than a ‘last meal’ does any good to a man about to be executed.
Their mothers would be so proud. I keep coming back to the idea that these twerps are just stuck at 13 years old; all the compulsions, all the sophomore philosophy, and never understanding the depth of the whole picture.
Good call, never underestate the bank in full restim.
You say that as if it were a bad thing.
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In Rathbun’s case, a “bank in full restim” is all he has.
This is a good and interesting viewpoint, and it seems to me that it is right out of the axioms. But Rathbun and his fellow squirrels certainly won’t look at things like this because they are deeply involved in the games condition with Scientology and the Church.
I think it cannot get more basic than this, and simple also.
If Rathbun says he is so much a proponent of Source, he would look at this and also the tape Why People Don’t Like You.
“…If Rathbun says he is so much a proponent of Source, he would look at this and also the tape Why People Don’t Like You.”
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Great idea. Rathbun can just route himself into Qual and read or review the materials there under the supervision of Qual. Oh, pardon? The Rat has no Qual to go to? I bet Ron had things to say about that too, as if the Rat cares what LRH has to say.
I agree with the quote and how it applies to rathbun. We already know that Rathbun doesn’t create, but only alters others’ creations.
It’s part of him being a parasite, as you talked about in your last blog posting.
Hey! that’s right. Didn’t notice the connection. Thanks.
Great quotes Vince. They describe him perfectly. The bit I like the best is, “This fellow goes to bed at night and bites the pillow, you know, and screams to himself.” That is so Marty it had me laughing.
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If that is what happens at night, then during the day he walks around chain smoking, muttering to himself, and spitting. And in front of his keyboard he dreams up wild stories about people in the hope that someone somewhere will recognize his ‘genius’ for alter-is.
Oouew. You just gave me an image of what his keyboard is like. Excuse me while I wash my hands please.
I’m sorry but this quote made me laugh. I can see Rathbun letting out little yips occasionally as he bites his pillow.
His blog postings are bigger yips, made to sound more rational (but no less paranoid.)
Now that he has blown all his assets, the yips are all he has left.
Don’t forget that Marty is on his way out. Oh right, he’s already out.
His sound bites are exxactly that, bites.
Is there some way to bring this back to the fact that he is a parasite with some gag? Feels like it, but I don’t want to work too hard on the Martyr today.
“Here’s an auditor sitting in an area doing all right. Some other auditor isn’t doing all right, so they start accumulating overts against this auditor that is doing all right”
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This would seem to answer a lot of the charges Rathbun has made about the Tech in the Church. We already know how grotesquely out-tech Rathbun’s own “processing” is, and here he goes loudly condemning the guys who are doing well.
Ask any recent Flag completion. Or LA Org, for that matter.
Hundreds and thousands of people weekly making gains in understanding their lives and how they can better interact with the world around them. It is logical that Marty can’t see this since his abilities to understand are limited to his compulsions. He’s just knee-jerk at thinking and writing and talking these days, with an emphasis on the -jerk.
“Boy, it begins to look like a cyclone is happening in this vicinity.”
This is a good description of what I see when I look into what Rathbun is saying. But only a few are listening. If you don’t even read him, everything is just going on well and normally. But he is caught up in a real cyclone. It must be hell being in his mind.
There seem to be others caught up in it to. Me, I just keep doing my next service, and I’ve never had better service, to be honest.
Marty has never delivered any better service either. You never need to wait for the folder to come back from the C/S. You never have to have one of those pesky folder studies. Ever had to wait because your auditor was at Qual? Won’t happen at the Marty Shack. I hear he has a special service where you write the Success Story first, then get a tailored auditing package sent to you at the coffee shop so you can discuss it with your friends.
You sure as hell don’t spend any time at the MAA.
All these Rathvantages. All you really have to do is natter and agree with Marty. And, from what history shows, you then disappear. You don’t have to do anything, because even after 3 years of RathBS, he can’t even form up to the level of the simplest Mission, most of whom would have a working purif by now, and a dozen people in the course room during the day and breaking the walls down at night.
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Rathbun just doesn’t understand. Perhaps he hasn’t been able to see it since his psychotic break, but people study very well these days and with so many people on Basics, it is like being around a bunch of BC students all the time. It is a great time to be studying LRH like he meant it to be.
That works for me, too, just keep moving. It seems to me that’s what rathbun and people like him are trying to stop anyway, so why let him have that effect on you? Just because he could never get anywhere doesn’t mean he has the right to stop others.
Great thought. Nicely positioned. Far better than any of the PR that the Rat attempted. He’s as good at PR as he is at lawyering.
Most of what I’ve read of Rathbun is just bottled medicine really. You are right, it is alter is in one form or another.
It gets hard to figure out what he is really trying to sell, but I guess destruction does seem to be the common denominator of all he talks about.
I can’t really see how anyone whose ethics were even slightly in would care about the garbage he puts out. I can’t imagine getting myself so bent out of shape that I would join in on his ugly mission. There are so many better things to do, and it seems to me it would be a huge effort and waste of energy to go attacking along with Rathburn. Just be responsible for your own dynamics, apply the tech, and you can’t go wrong.
“It gets hard to figure out what he is really trying to sell…”
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What a good point. Sometimes I think that he is just trying to sell tin foil. Sometimes I think he wakes up constipated and his writing is an attempt to relieve himself.
I haven’t read anything of Rathubn recently, but this definitely fits what I have seen of him in the past. Everything out of him is bad news and “it’s all bad over there,” and anyone who gives him credibility is just sucking themselves into a trap. Why build up more entheta, when our job is to get entheta #off# our cases?
Great point. He is so difficult to read. I have to wear so much extra tinfoil just to get into his fancied groove. And the make-wrong is so blaring.
He is hard to read, but so are all those at his level of the tone scale.
It’s hard to consider someone who is at 0.0something to be actually at a level. Kind of like, blended with the dust or something. Just speculating. Can I buy you some coffee?
Think of Marty’s rants as insane garbage spewed by a psycho rat. . .it really helps.
Thank you. I’ll put a Post-It on my screen so that most of his rants are covered while I try to get through one.
Best to ignore the entheta. I balance that with a full confront of suppression per the PTS/SP tech. Ignoring is one thing; not-issing is another and only makes things worse.
What entheta? Oh, Marty? Ha. That’s not entheta. He’s just a joker and degrader magnet that no one pays attention to. No, he’s useful and so incompetent that it is easier to let him have his rein and blunder through the fields – imagine how those interviewers are going to feel the next time their assistants come through with another
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“Hey! we’re down in the ratings, let’s bash us some Scientology. I found me some pond scum who will tell us all about it.” “Nah. The last time we tried that with that moron Ratbuns it was a disaster. No one believed him and we only got the same crowd of tin-foil wearers who commented that I was too harsh on him. Too bad I can’t tell real news.”
The bank follows the line of attack, and Rathbun is knowingly trying to manipulate people’s banks to make his living. He’s a “black” practitioner of whatever “tech” he can gather: hypnotism, perverse forms of PR, propaganda, implanting, and don’t forget things like covert intel “tech.”
Perhaps he tried becoming an expert in all these things since he thought that you be easier than becoming good at the things he was failing at before he went bonkers and tried to kill Rinder.
What I also find extremely funny is Rathbun’s fixation on plants and spies. I don’t know how many times now he has accused people of being spies or “OSA”. I had to laugh when I read the latest one about Klaus Buchele. All it tells me is that Rathbun and friends are continually spying on the Church. They do this obsessively while accusing other of doing it to them. Of course they have so many overts that they can’t see the mechanism at work.
Hey if everything they are doing is honest and above board, what’s all the worry about a spy amongst their midst? It is because it missed all the overts and withholds they have on Scientology.
“All it tells me is that Rathbun and friends are continually spying on the Church.”
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Bingo.
“Bingo”
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Yes indeed. They are so obvious. I must remember to thank them for constantly proving the rule. I will never forget what natter like theirs means.
You’re right of course. I keep thinking of it as a manifestation of his paranoia and delusional state, but it really is motivator-hunger. He’s proud of his reaches into the Church and hints about them. He even talked about having “missions under the radar” a year or so ago.
Not surprising since he considers himself the reincarnation of Sun Tzu.
With pinches of Martin Luther, Ghandi, MLK, Mother Teresa, and Bob Marley thrown in for good measure.
All in all, I’d say he’s not all that happy being Marty.
S. N. A. P.
“All in all, I’d say he’s not all that happy being Marty.”
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What a coincidence. I’m not so happy with the way that he is being Marty either.
To me the best part was Marty whining about poor OTDT. Sympathy for a truly disgusting joker-degrader.
I can think of about 6 outpoints regarding that off the top of my head, but Rathbun acts like it was actually an overt and a tragedy.
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Again, Rathbun (and friends) can dish it out, but can’t take it.
I know. I chuckled at Rathbun working so hard to portray himself and OTDT as victims, and his audience being deprived of OTDT’s gems. Rathbun really is pitiful at times.
Rathbun…pitiful…at times.
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Well Sharpe, actually, in that sense Rathbun is pitiful at all times. I hope we are not in disagreement here.
I’ve noticed that with him. It looks to me like he’s just got to find some way to be a victim of unforgivable overts. Sounds like a need for motivators, loud and clear.
Embarrassing, for certain. Rathbun sinks into the pity pond once again.
Good call Terri, Marty’s appetite for justifiers is insatiable.
Back to the Jobba the Hut image and logic again. “I must have more motivators. I can’t get enough motivators. It is all Han’s fault because he won’t get me more motivators so I stuck him on the wall there.”
Type 3 indicator!!!
I guess I’m one of those who wondered why rathbun can’t talk about anything about the church without putting a suppressive twist on it. he never even acknowledges what’s right about the church, and it is maximally right. it’s a whole different ballgame with more people putting their shoulders to the wheel than when I came in. not only that, but basically everyone I know is on one service or another. a few years back, half the people I knew were off lines, doing other things etc.
there are more people now really understanding the tech than I have ever seen, and more people attending.
so why twist all that like it’s bad?
It seems obvious that Rathbun looks into a mirror and dramatizes his problem as other peoples or groups. He doesn’t even have a group after all this time and it must bother him to no end. Well, it would bother him if he wasn’t following his compulsion to make everyone else wrong.
Now there is a topic for their coffee shops. Can a moron bent on destruction to prove himself right and the other guy wrong hold more than one moronic/compulsive thought at the same time?
“Rathbun has gone way past the point where he is able to do anything but destroy those against whom he has the greatest number of overts.”
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Thing is, by now, this is Rinder and the Minions. Anybody have a Shakespeare quote about ‘eating their young’?
This does make sense. Once one “shorts the wires on one’s thinking” all the thoughts or computations that one makes after that are off kilter. That is what has happened to Rathbun. Everything he looks at or views has been changed from what it really is to something different in his universe. The end result is he misses on every shot he takes at anyone. If he palyed golf he would shoot from 150 to 170 per round (on a good day) simply because all his wires are crossed to slant everything he does in the wrong direction.
I get it now. He wants to audit a person, but because of this “feature” that he has, he ends up talking to a fish. Now it all makes sense. Thanks.
“Once one “shorts the wires on one’s thinking” all the thoughts or computations that one makes after that are off kilter.”
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Right, he is operating on a base premise that is wrong.
Hi everyone – been gone for a while but I’m back. I still have my lines to a lot of the Indies [they don’t know that I am a dissatisfied PC of MCRs) and thought you would all like to know on this forum that there were those that would read and believe his stories in the beginning, but take it from me, a lot of them are saying that he has gotten seriously crazier and crazier and don’t even bother to look at his blog and don’t believe him any more. Some even regret they supported him as they shot their own Bridges when they cognited what and SP he truly is – some have reached out to the Church…2 that I know of.
Thanks for dropping by, and with such good news. Not surprising, except that I didn’t know that anyone still had any logic in them.
“+Some even regret they supported him as they shot their own Bridges when they cognited what and SP he truly is – some have reached out to the Church…2 that I know of.”
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This is likely the trend. He can’t sustain the image he’s been so assertively trying to sell. People get to see how he really is and that’s what he can’t explain away.
PS; One more thing, his support has seriously dwindled…
His support has dwindled along with his chances of ever getting out of the trap.