As Marty Rathbun whines about how people refuse to jump up and change their lives after being exposed to his “data” and “facts,” it can be easy to lose track of the fact that he doesn’t actually produce anything, yet is managing to “make a living” out of attacking Scientology.
Rathbun’s tired Criminal Mind dramatizations of seeing others as he himself is, and of declaring others guilty of what he himself does and has done has gotten him nowhere. The best he’s been able to do with it is somehow avoid having to go to work and actually produce an honest product for his living.
Instead, being the aberrative personality Rathbun truly is, he can only parasite on LRH and Scientology, all while trying to destroy them.
Rathbun’s even gotten to the absurd point where he’s trying to assert others are Suppressive Persons. This isn’t just a testament to his cluelessness, it’s a sign that he’s truly running out of new ideas of how to slander LRH and Scientology.
Yes, the same Marty Rathbun whose transgressions against his fellows are so voluminous and severe that he lives his daily life criticizing others (and making a living at it) would have us believe that someone else is a “bad boy,” and is stuck in an incident in which he was under attack.
But don’t lose track of Rathbun’s real intentions and real “products.” His intention could be summarized by “keeping as many people off the Bridge as possible.”
His “products,” aside from religious haters masquerading as grade completions, are all efforts to destroy something. Even without knowing the particulars, anyone can see how insane that is.
In 1953, LRH talked about aberrative personalities like Marty Rathbun,
“…the aberrative personality is born entirely out of the decline of the ability of the individual to produce. When the individual really recognizes his utter worthlessness to the society, he becomes an aberrative personality. Many people who cannot work physically turn to other lines of progress. They are getting on one way or another. The aberrative personality is so badly off that he can lead only a parasitic existence. You will understand, then, that people going down Tone Scale do not immediately and automatically become aberrative personalities, in our definition as here used. People become aberrative personalities out of a malevolence which insists on a high level of survival without the production of anything.”
Keep your own counsel, and look at the products being produced by those who would tell you others are bad.
“But don’t lose track of Rathbun’s real intentions and real “products.” His intention could be summarized by “keeping as many people off the Bridge as possible.””
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Hmmm. You stumped me on this one. I would have sworn that Our Martyr was obliging us with his duty to show how one person could fit the entire dramatization of a pissant, so blinded by his compulsions, that he thinks he is puissant.
“…his duty to show how one person could fit the entire dramatization of a pissant…”
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That is very funny. I was thinking about how weak he is too really. He very makes it like he wants to be a suppressive person, but he is rather much trying too hard. I get to think of him really as a weak PTS. He is a failing person at every action he is trying.
“Make a living” really does need to be in quotes. I certainly wouldn’t call it living to be forced to suck up to Cowberta and Berry to get my name in the papers. It isn’t living to force pretended insights on mouth-breathers who don’t realize that you don’t know what you don’t know and don’t understand what you think you do.
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I suppose that is why Rathbun thought he could get away with saying that he supports LRH while not support the Church that LRH set up. He isn’t really living, and he certainly isn’t living Scientology.
Nice and surgical.
“His intention could be summarized by “keeping as many people off the Bridge as possible.””
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This is the bottom line, even though I feel like I go on and on about it here. Seems to me this is the real goal of any SP attacking Scientology, especially Rathbun.
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It also explains just about all of his actions. All of his roads lead to this.
” I certainly wouldn’t call it living to be forced to suck up to Cowberta and Berry to get my name in the papers”
Nicely said, and you’re right. I think he means he’s making enough money to cover his bills. Rathbun’s idea of “living” isn’t that of most social personalities.
Rathbun is covert as always. He just sends out one covert inval after each overt inval. Even when he seems like he’s just being “rational” and giving people “food for thought” he’s covertly invalidating every Scientologist. He even decides to use a small “S” when talking about honorable Church members. What a slimeball.
I am not a fan of this site as it ignores the elephant in the room, but you guys have correctly pointed out that Rathbun is not pro-LRH and you are right. His attempt to form a splinter group instead of fixing what is wrong with the church is a complete violation of KSW. It is one thing to keep going in session and holding to one’s integrity about perceived injustices in the church, it is another to ignore basic LRH policy and tech on what the ideal scene is for Scientology and seek the remedies necessary to bring things closer to that ideal scene. I disagree strongly with Rathbun on what he thinks is the correct course to take to fix what is wrong. Strongly enough that I will come over here and tell you that you are right. You are damn right.
We aim. We please. Thanks.
Interesting view. Marty definitely acts like he is a desperate puppet. I suppose that as he is controlled by his compulsions, he is actually PTS to himself.
You are right about that. If any of the media, or any of the dupes he is rolling were clever enough to know where to look, they would discover quick that he has nothing to do with the Church: he has been long out of it, he was the source of many of the Church’s problems (as he himself admitted) and he doesn’t have the training and certification to be talking about the technology at all.
When I work with people, I get them to refine statements like that as to whether it is the goal or the purpose. In Marty’s case, getting people off the Bridge is a purpose, and the goal is so that he can hide safely…or so his compulsions tell him. To use a technical term: He is one screwed up monkey.
Slimeball indeed. It is “clever” things like that though which always lands him in trouble. I wonder who is twisting his head when he wanders around talking to himself, spitting on the floor, spinning after his tail?
You guys are so right. Getting social must be a big mask for the Martyr. I fail to see how anyone falls for it, except that they must be pretty desperate themselves.
Except that he fails quite a lot. I see hundreds of people on different courses every day, and know that the same is happening with hundreds in other places around the world. So, what? he has a handful of people who he has conned over the years with his broken meters and irrational auditing without any quality control structure that LRH demands for each person? Big Fail, Marty.
Follow the money.
Hold the presses, I think I get Marty. If he had just cleared the words fact and truth he would have . . .
Message to Marty: There are better ways to make a living than to betray the only real friends you will ever have.
PTS to himself, talk about a downhill spiral.
Desparate to cover their own overts.
Big Fail Marty is the past and future for Mr. Rathbun. Europe existed to trap him worse than the usual. Now he is merely an other pawn of the hate people. He does not have existence as a leader except in his mind.
There is a large degree of being obvious that Mr. Rathbun has betrayed all of one each group he made a try to join in the original. The LRH appreciating independent came on the board but they were being betrayed even in advance of the Germany trip. There were the odd high-profile publicity peoples one or two times, but not with tenacity–they were about the making publicity for them ownselves. But no person like this really would like to be audited by Mr. Rathbun.
I am in reminder of the last act;
Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder are working with the genocidal bankster cult’s propaganda machinery in an attempt to use last century’s black propaganda techniques with personal attacks on the leadership of Scientology and to create conflict among Scientologists.
New idea!
The leadership of Scientology has been under non-stop, well financed attacks by the bankster controlled suppressive police states for what – 60 years?
Meanwhile, David Miscavige and many dedicated Scientologists have compiled the life saving and spirit freeing works of LRH in many different languages and created a universe class publishing/distribution organization that gets the truth of LRH’s works out 24/7 all over the world.
As a result, millions benefit from LRH technology daily and Scientology continues to expand while a handful quack on the sidelines with the enemies of freedom and mankind.
That’s covered in the tech – an SP is PTS if only to himself.
I enjoy the game of “name Rathbun’s real purpose/goal.”
Note that goals and purposes are plural.
It would take some precise auditing to get the specific wording, but we can at least predict what neighborhood they’re in.
Don’t say that – Marty thinks he’s Mr. Anti-Corporation! He’s not a tool, he’s an “independent thinker.” (see the data on subversives in SOS for a full breakdown.)
In Rathbun’s world, they are what he says they are, and not in an upscale way.
There was a great new Scientology ad on national tv yesterday before the games. I could see Rathbun chewing his sleeve while watching it. It made me chuckle.
He’s got to go where he gets paid. He flipped and thinks these SPs and middle – class PTSes have had it right all along, from what I read recently.
Lol, true.
This is the place for it. I say turnabout is fair play.
Maybe his goal is something like “A world without threats to me.”
Don’t forget that he’s a tool. He’s being used because of those traits you mention, but will be shot from guns when he’s no longer useful.
Maybe that’s why he just keeps going despite all his obvious screw-ups that are hard to cover for – he’s just flat being paid to.
Rathbun’s not bothered by gaps in his integrity. He gave it up entirely long ago.
They could care less. As long as it fits their controversy narrative and gives them copy, they’ll gloss over the truth. He’s just someone they can cite as an “authority” on the scene. Bogus, but what do they produce that isn’t bogus.
Right, it is a purpose. The goal is a little to creepy to spend time trying to put words to. It ain’t a positive one.
I think I agree with some of this, mate.
Rathbun gave up on understanding the data series, and turned the hat over to Rinder. When I have time, I’ll think of a good analogy for that, but it really is silly.
“it’s a sign that he’s truly running out of new ideas of how to slander LRH and Scientology.”
But he’s got to keep going or he’ll stop getting paid.
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That is certainly something that Rathbun would never be able to do, or at least do honestly. About all he can do is try to appeal to other people who consider themselves ‘victims’, others who are so trapped under their own onion layers who refuse to let themselves out. Cool with me if they want to let themselves stink up their own habitat, but I can’t imagine why they would want to hang around someone like Rathbun who just doesn’t seem to be able to accomplish anything.
“But he’s got to keep going or he’ll stop getting paid.”
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First time I glanced at that I thought you wrote, “But he’s got to keep going or he’ll stop getting stupid.”
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While I was laughing and I was trying to compute how you nailed the perfect Rathbun Serfac.
Excellent stuff there Larry. It blends nicely with the fact that while Rathbun thinks he is the most wonderful monster to hit the Church’s lines, he is just another patsy who is PTS to the planets flow of maladjusted puppet masters. Fortunately the constant flow that the Church of Scientology is part of by maintaining and promulgating LRH’s technology wisely is the trend away from false masters, away from serfdom, away from kings and gods that these other groups are tied to. Thanks for bringing that up.
I can just imagine Rathbun going down the conditions, not making it as a real producer of anything in society, and finally getting to that point where he just has to start figuring out what assets he has and using them to finish a product.
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“Oh, I know,” he substitutes for a thought. “I’ll use my ability to betray those I have betrayed in the past. I was able to fool a lot of people by making up false statistics, I could get money by dragging false promises out forever, and there is always someone who can’t confront their anti-social acts any more than I can. I can extort them without their even figuring it out.”
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“I’ll even pull some big scam. I know, I’ll say I am pro-LRH. Even better. I’ll say that I am trying to save Scientology – that way I can make up stories against those people who figured out my previous scam.”
“Hold the presses, I think I get Marty. If he had just cleared the words fact and truth he would have . . .”
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What a laugh. Put those words on a strip of paper over a doorway and it will be like a Rathbun No Pest Strip.”
How about “A world that doesn’t expect me to make up the damage done for all my constant Rathbun-sized screw ups.”
Hell Scott!! You really crack me up when you wax lyrical. That was a great one. Marty thinks he can pull it off, but he Kant.
That kind of makes sense to me (i.e. that he is just being paid to do it) but then again I also think he is driven by complusions and his criminal mind. THE CRIMINAL MIND RELENTLESSLY SEEKS TO DESTROY ANYONE IT IMAGINES MIGHT EXPOSE IT. Relentlessly being the key word.
That is profoundly true. His integrity is so far gone it has inverted. For him now an overt is if he fails to commit a suppressive act.
LOL!
Who is twisting his head? The same thing that gets him talking to fish and believing the he is one with all beings and all life. Marty is just one bank dramatization after another.
Well John, I for one appreciate your coming over here to say that. You do know that having crossed swords with Marty you will never again have the dubious honor of being trusted by him – but then again it seems to me that you understand that approval from him is less than worthless. Expect to have Steve Hall label you a plant as he prances around a fire flapping his arms. But, good on you for calling him out.
“Meanwhile, David Miscavige and many dedicated Scientologists have compiled the life saving and spirit freeing works of LRH in many different languages and created a universe class publishing/distribution organization that gets the truth of LRH’s works out 24/7 all over the world.”
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The Basics and Ideal Orgs are what Marty and his squirrels natter about hardest and longest, and yet it is plain to see that by getting the Basics produced and distributed as widely as has been done, is is now guaranteed that Scientology will always be here on this planet no matter what may happen. And with Ideal Orgs the delivery will match the technology.
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It requires extremely twisted thinking to somehow see those two strategies as being wrong, and even more twisted thinking to come to the conclusion that the best way to serve LRH is to commit every suppressive act in the book.
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I re-read KSW 1 again for the umpteenth time 2 days ago, and yet again was struck by how thoroughly each of the ten points is being put in by COB and the SO.
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The is no understanding insanity. That is why it is called insanity. And Marty is living proof.
Thanks for the kind words John. I’m glad you have some of the story straight.
Well, there were a lot of groups that Rathbun tried to appeal to in the early days…and he did betray many of them.Who didn’t he betray. Maybe there is a few of the old hangers on who he hasn’t screwed completely yet.
I suppose that is logical, even for Rathbun.
Those people were being betrayed, (at the very least, used) before the Germany trip. Those who hung around after might as well be concrete. You’ll never get through to them.
Rathbun is a pawn with pawns.
Rathbun and friends could start by ceasing to convict Scientologists of the practice of standard Scientology. I include in that making Source materials more easily and broadly available than ever before, creating crack, standard courserooms (been in one lately?) and promoting widely, and much more.
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It’s worse than just pretending to be pro-LRH, while being just the opposite. That’s now widely known – his actions have confirmed that. It’s dedicating oneself to making Scientology fail, and then complaining that it’s not doing well.
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It’s just bad form.
“His “products,” aside from religious haters masquerading as grade completions, are all efforts to destroy something. Even without knowing the particulars, anyone can see how insane that is.”
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Great line. That tells you where Rathbun is really at, you might as well ignore the particulars. He’s a one-note-jonny.
But he still “accomplishes” more than they do. They look up to him for that. How’s that for an assessment of their “group”?
Interesting angle. Don’t forget what happens to subversives ultimately. That would apply to the stooges who are in his choir, too.
The list of people who Marty Rathbun has allied himself with who are so clearly anti-LRH tells the true story. To name just a few: Graham Berry, Ursula Caberta, John Sweeney, the SP Times, Tony Ortega, Mark Bunker, etc. etc.
Rathbun saying the Church is dead is just basic overt motivator sequence. He has to try make less of the target of his overts.
Sal,
Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder seem to be obsessed with the idea of plants. If you read between lines on “under the Radar” which they’ve been yakking about on Rathbun’s blog, they are talking about plants. It’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black once again. I would not be too worried about Steve Hall calling me a plant. Or Rathbun and Rinder for that matter.
I don’t doubt that there is a money angle, I just wonder if it is as important as his compulsion to make wrong or just a side circumstance. Since he isn’t any good at really making the Church or any members wrong, I wonder why he would be good at making money…unless, of course, if the puppet masters are as incompetent as Marty is???
“… For him now an overt is if he fails to commit a suppressive act.”
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Imagine that. Yet, Our Martyr of the Shack is so incompetent that he probably even screws that up. Although he saves time not having to proof-read his rants and natter, he still has to leave time for the drooling in circles routine. I bet that doesn’t only afflict him in public places.
Yo Sal – that was sweet as well.
No, you’re right. It isn’t as if the editors just fell into the story. They bought the drum for the purpose of causing havoc for one part of society or another.
Did you read that some of the Gulf prawns are being caught without eyes now? They’re imitating Marty I guess. Oh, you said pawns, not prawns. Nevermind.
“Desparate to cover their own overts.”
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Doesn’t Marty’s writing seem as much drug induced as the ranting of the delusional compulsion that drives him?
Oh no. I don’t read him a lot. He didn’t do the Dali Lama at the hotdog vendor, “Make me one with everything” line, did he?
Bad form, and fruitless. At least among the hundreds of people I see every day going from parking lots to courserooms every night, I don’t see one person who isn’t uptone and creating more and better every day. None would be bait for the Martybot lines.
It seems that the only talent that Marty the Suppressive Subversive has is the ability to disguise his failures so that his ‘choir’ doesn’t object too vehemently. But give him a little more time. He seems to be pissing them off and out, one by one.
“The is no understanding insanity. That is why it is called insanity. And Marty is living proof.”
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If you put .com after that statement, you would have the perfect Marty website.
Minimally he is PTS to himself. If you look at things he says and does, he is also clearly PTS to Mike Rinder and Steve Hall and Beghe. He walks to heel with them, and claps like a monkey when told to.
“He’s got to go where he gets paid.”
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Yep – his integrity is for sale. One step down from being a hooker.
“It’s dedicating oneself to making Scientology fail, and then complaining that it’s not doing well.”
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Nice Sharpe. That explains his 1.1ness perfectly. Not that there are many people left that he manages to fool with it.
I think his goal is something he is not aware of coz he’s too far gone – but it is something like,
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“To destroy myself permanently and irrevocably for all the bad I have done, and to take as many other PTSes and SPs as I can with me when I go, so Scientology can flourish and prosper, free of the suppression and deadwood, mutineers and barnacles that have been holding it back.”
LOL. It has been commented here often enough that neither Rathbun nor Rinder can evaluate worth a damn – along with the rest of the looters.
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It is implicit that in doing an evaluation one is trying to find a Why for a situation – one does not know what the Why is because if one did the situation would not exist.
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But both of these clown already know their Why and Who before they start. One cannot evaluate like that. That is simply dressing up a ser fac, or a stuck picture, in the pretense of it being an evaluation.
I prefer your misread. Failing to become more and more stupid is something that would really thwart his goals and upset his apple cart.
It does set the mind thinking, don’t it. I mean – perhaps they think it’s good value for money because they don’t know the value of money – or Martyrdom.
Nah, it starts up every time he sits down to a fish dinner and wonders whether the allness of one is coming to get him.
Do you think Marty would ask a prawn for permission to eat it? Or would he just use the prawn to bait a hook and get a fish – kinda like use the prawn as a pawn?
He did and he is worse than that. Marty, as you must have noticed by now, loves to fish. And Marty, when he hooks a fish, asks that fish to its face if it would mind if he kills and had it for dinner. If the fish isn’t willing to die, Marty throws it back. Now isn’t that the sign of a truly great man; – a person who seeks to destroy human lives, but who is yet as one with fish, hot dogs and squirrels.
OK – you have kind of summed him up in one paragraph! We usually enjoy spelling it out a little more, but if one wants to be brief in summing him up, how about – Suppressive Person. Describes him to a tee.
Hey John,
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You said, “Follow the money.”
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Was that just a cliche, or do you have something you could tell us in that regard?
That would have to be a subconscious purpose, because if he realized that was what he was doing he’d top himself.
This is a little off topic but I keep seeing where Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder are commenting about the new Scientology ad that has been running on TV. They obviously hate it because it is so well put together and represents Scientology so well. So they dub in and bullshit their flock that these ads are being run in response to the suppressive acts that were recently committed by Debbie Cook. They are expecting that their followers are so dumb and brainwashed that they will repeat this line – just like it says in PR Series 18 about black propaganda. I saw these ads at the New Years event on the 27th of December and heard about the plans to run them, well before the stupid entheta letter was sent out. The ad was obviously worked on and put together well before that the event. So, it is just another example of the lies being spread by these two to their flock to try and control them.
Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder both blew and never got their overts off. We are seeing the results of this and the phenomena described by LRH in the Blowoffs policy. You would think that the both of them would have enough awareness to at least recognize that much of their current dramatization stems from this mechanism. I think it points up really how little they actually do apply the tech to themselves.
“How’s that for an assessment…”
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Dang! You know it is a good assessment but a sad reflection on humanity that we haven’t yet gotten beyond the point where there are people like these who are so afraid of their shadows that they have to act like they do.
Thanks; that makes sense. I don’t know these players except by reputation. But it is good to know that I wasn’t misreading this. Martyr Marty is not the big cheese he makes himself out to be.
…and there is always something after him.
“…from what I read recently…” Heh heh har. Our MartyrMarty has always got something to worry about. What will it be this time?
I guess Rathbun recognized his “utter worthlessness to society” a long time ago, and is just hard working to try to convince himself that isn’t true. But you are going about it the wrong way when you start following people who are also worthless like Caberta. She is worse than worthless, however, as she has a negative worth. It will be some time before we recover here from what she has done to Germany.
“It’s just bad form” is generous of you, and almost chivalric. Funny, though.
I think of him more like a bull in a china shop, thinking he’s a danseur.
I had that impression, too. He surely does it with Bunker and Caberta. He seems to need approval from others.
Prepping for their next 10,000 years…
A truly great man doesn’t get into bragging about some as fishy as that.
“…Marty Rathbun whines about how people refuse to jump up and change their lives after being exposed to his “data” and “facts…”
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Nice to see this in writing. I’ve been noticing this with Rathbun over the last year or so. He does show an undercurrent of resentment for not being taken seriously. Rinder does too. They both seem to be resentful that more people aren’t taking notice of how the sky is falling on their heads. I’ve even seen comment threads go on for days about this. Their rationalizations as to why are what’s worth reading; it kind of reveals how far adrift these failures are in justifying their own misery.
Wouldn’t be the first generality to strike fear in Marty’s heart.
I can do it in one: Fool.
“People become aberrative personalities out of a malevolence which insists on a high level of survival without the production of anything.”
That describes a number of people I could point out, most of them politicians we can all observe. But it sure describes Rathbun and his little campaign very well.
All Rathbun produces are criticisms.
Another commenter on this blog (I won’t give her name) and I were discussing this recently…what a huge outpoint that Rathbun and his friends will not look at. He criticizes constantly (and his friends do, too) and yet they somehow think this is positive. They must view criticisms they post as “products.”
Even if they have very little training, they have to realize they are nattering up a storm but try to disguise it as natter. They are not issing it for themselves.
I see the media going out of their way to make him look more important than he ever was. They even buy his BS about how he saved one thing after another, when the truth is that he sabotaged one thing after another, or at least tried to.
I’ve seen Rathbun trying to accuse others of being suppressive. It’s totally glib. He’s just parroting whatever tech he can copy on the subject, no connect with it at all. He should read that part of the Anti-Social Personality that says if you thought you spotted yourself here, you’re not an SP. I guarantee that never occurred to him.
He flipped is right. Hell, he’s admitted it. He praises people who admit they want Scientology destroyed altogether and says they have it right and aren’t bad guys. The guy is like a walking GPM.
Scott/Sal:
Someone has got to stop you two. Where’s the moderator when we need him
We know that criminals have given up on themselves, and have lost self-respect. It all follows for Rathbun.
That’s because Rathbun can’t confront a corner of his actual case. Technically.
Almost painful, Scott.
Sorry to be a buzzkill (I actually laughed despite myself.)
Hallucinatory cause once again. Both Rathbun and Rinder long ago moved into delusional range technically, but they consider it a valid PR technique consciously. Both are total effect (of their own self-created situations) trying to persuade themselves and others that they are cause. Assigning cause to Cook is only them being even more coy about it.
It’s the sort of inverted behavior you can expect from Rathbun and others like him. You can predict with that principle, too.
Marty is one of them – Merchants of Chaos. They stick together.
That’s a very willing little flock sitting there with their mouths open ready to be fed anything. It goes to show how Rinder and Rat don’t care how stupid the stuff is that they put out, they know it will be swallowed whole by those who are hungry for lies and other entheta.
Only the weak minded are diverted away from Rathbun, IMO.
I was re-reading the Suppressive Acts PL the other day (for another reason) and one SP act after another I kept thinking about “Rathbun did this” and “Rinder just did this”.
The majority of things laid out there are SP acts that these two do all the time, some of them are even really obscure type acts, like supporting anti Scientology legislation. I highly recommend a read through of that PL.
In fact, if someone even mentions Rathbun to me (I’m still waiting) I’ll tell them to go right to that PL to see what LRH thinks of these guys. THEN come talk to me about their natter.
We’ve also seen how he rolls over and plays harmless when Ortega commands.
We also saw him turn into a pony boy for Caberta.
Not off-topic at all, and it’s welcome I say.
You can take virtually any posting by Rat or Rin and spot the lies in it. They go far afield to make things sound like time, place, form and event, but any decent workable understanding of outpoints will direct you to the lie in the rant. I haven’t seen a valid posting yet from either of them.
That one was an easy one, because of clear-cut dropped time.
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If you look for the pluspoint of “related facts known” that will show how invalid each posting is, right out of the gate.
He’s being bought for a pittance.
“talking to fish and believing the he is one with all beings and all life.”
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I always take that “one with the universe” business as a failure to find out who one really is. Rathbun isn’t fooling anyone by comparing his theetie-weetie garbage with Native American practices. He’s gone on in agreement with some of the meditators who chime in on his postings who covertly inval basic Scn principles, too.
Rathbun did throw other Scientologists of all stripes under the bus in Germany. I think that’s what you’re saying.
Before he went, he declared he was going to “handle” things for them.
After he returned he declared he “handled” things.
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While he was there, he was a pitiful, flaccid dupe of one of the most destructive anti-LRH personalities he could find, and basically a total effect.
It IS a beautifully spotted outpoint.
Yes, curious minds want to know (if this is the Nunez I’m thinking of.)
Send to the moderator as not for posting. See what comes of it.
“That is profoundly true. His integrity is so far gone it has inverted. For him now an overt is if he fails to commit a suppressive act.”
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Right, that’s just about how inverted he is.
Black PR tech is the one area Rathbun has dedicated himself to, so I would agree that he counts on it with his flock.
Very good point. It really shows what a fool Rinder is in particular, because he’s the one who prides himself on appearing to understand outpoints, and nattering about evals.
“He even decides to use a small “S” when talking about honorable Church members.”
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He’s petulant and petty. He uses childish techniques such as this to nullify anyone he conceives to be a critic.
Rathbun has also gotten fond of searching for answers in psychobabble.
Denialism? Really? Haven’t you got anything better to do with your time, Marty?
Reading the sports pages would be better.
“Doesn’t Marty’s writing seem as much drug induced as the ranting of the delusional compulsion that drives him?”
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Yes. It makes me wonder which came first, the delusional compulsion or the drugs?
“The ad was obviously worked on and put together well before that the event. So, it is just another example of the lies being spread by these two to their flock to try and control them.”
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I’m sure Marty knows this too, but it is an SP characteristic to attack dissemination.
They must view criticisms they post as “products.”
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They also probably conceive their thoughts to be objects.
I am certain that both Rathbun and Rinder can see how effective the ads are otherwise they wouldn’t rant about them. I’ve heard that the orgs are getting a lot of walk-ins after seeing the ads, not to mention a lot of good word of mouth. Marty’s other SP buddy, Tony Ortega, of the prostitution front group Village Voice, was trying to also belittle and lie about them. It is a sure bet that when the SPs are critical of your dissemination, that’s the thing to do.
So much of what Rathbun says is dub-in, it would be good to do an article here that gives some of the technical reasons for a person to put a false picture there and then start believing his own falsehoods.
And yet, somehow, he is way over-charging.
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Perhaps if he had a product. For example, if he said, I have the true nature of XYZ knowledge and to prove it I will set up a XYZ Course Room completely aligned with how I view ABC to have described it, not the way that LMNOP does it. By using my amazing comprehension of ABC Administration Technology, I will have this set up in X Months, as you can see from the full breakout of the Plans to Product breakout. Look! Informing you is one of the Programs!!!
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Instead, we get nothing of the above, just Rathbun natter about obviously excellent and obviously excellently delivered products of the Church.
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Here is what I heard him say the last time he opened his mouth, and the last time Rathbun wrote something:
“Don’t forget that he’s a tool.”
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No comment Lion. I just wanted to see it said again.
Yes, the denialism thing was hilarious. What I really liked about it is how it reveals how f***ing ignorant of tech the guy really is. He’s out there looking in pop psychology books for answers. Not the first time he’s done this (remember the Sociopath Next Door?)
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The author of that book is a contributor to the New Yorker and is a Health and Science writer, if I recall correctly. That’s code for “psych shill.” The whole idea of “denial” is a hackneyed psych idea, and has worked it’s way into 12-step programs, etc., as though it’s some major discovery about human behavior. (I even met a guy who had “Denial” tattooed large on one forearm, and “Acceptance” on the other.)
Denialism was a not so clever effort to extend that psych twaddle to groups of people (untermensch) who didn’t go along with the PC program. Rathbun is very PC.
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The Rat could have just looked at not–issness and the Black Panther mechanism for some real understanding, but seems intent on covertly indicating to his friends (he’s a master of semantics and propaganda in his own little mind) that our Tech is not all there is to know about human behavior and one should go shopping for middle-class PTS ideas….plus it helps him push his “anti-corporation” madness as a theme.
My belief is that we are watching The Marty Rathbun March to Madness Event. It looks like drugs because drugs tend to imitate that serfac-y logic and surety that drug cases exhibit. It looks like we not only get to watch someone pull all the stunts of an PTS / SP, and not only the dwindling spiral of a person driven by his compulsions.
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I watch that vid of him walking in mumbling circles, spitting on the floor drooling like an addict. I thought it might end with the betrayal of his companions, but it looks as if we are going to watch him stand on a pedestal and go into self-destruct mode.
When I read that in the book it used to make me think. I bet that it makes Rathbun justify.
“…and basically a total effect.”
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And, Rathbun was acting differently from normal, how?
I’m sure we will see some good explanations ex-
But really, what choices does Rathbun really have except to act as you described?
All good points and I think I will go read it to get the Rathbun cooties off of me. But the one point that can’t be made enough is that…no one ever mentions Rathbun. What reasons would there be to?
BINGO!
Rathbun wants to be one of them. Hell. Rathbun wants to be one of anything. He tries so hard to be accepted. Wild ideas. Wild associations. Wild accusations. Desperate.
I heard on the net that there was a documentary on whoismartyrathbun.com
I went to the site and watched it. It is explosive. You guys should watch it.
“…Merchants of Chaos…”
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Well, they aren’t very good merchants, are they? I’m thinking that if they were good merchants they could tell that Marty was quite beyond his sell by date, and soon rancid will be an understatement.
Wow Terri. I sometimes get so wrapped into the dramatization of the fruit-loops that I forget that simple fact about them.
Laffed? I thought it was a true story?
Ah! To be nullified by the Marty. Roses will bloom.
We can make a set of Marty Rathbun is an incompetent klutz but thinks he is a _____ refrigerator magnets to help train budding SP-fighters everywhere.
Nice observation ex- . They really are walking dramatizations of stuck thoughts.
Exactly what it must be Markus.
Indeed. Their complaints should be a stat.
What you are discussing requires actual thought. These guys react, not think, compulse, not examine.
…not being taken seriously – maybe there is intelligent life on this planet after all.
What a poor, poor lad he is.
I just got done listening to the Theta-Mest Theory lecture of 21 May 1951.I had a realization about Rathbun – he’s a real 1.1er. He looks like a slob. He looks like a gang member type of guy. He comes across like some big bad wolf always huffing and puffing and he’ll blow your house down. What stuck me though was this about him:
“Get somebody at 1.1 that tells you, ‘You know, I’m all in favor of having a board of standards. We’ve got to have standards because this has got to be an ethical operation. I am very ethical! I won’t stand for anything unethical!’ He may talk like that (and a lot of 1.1s do), but if you look up some of his manifestations and you see that these manifestations pin him at 1.1, watch out! I don’t care how often this person says that he is ethical, this person will cut your throat.”
That is Rathbun. He proclaims how ethical he is – sure! He’s a throat cutter and always has been. I know – I knew him in the 80s for many years and that was the way he was then. And that is the way he is now. He’s a throat cutter and he knows it. Go against him, and he’ll cut your throat. If you don’t grovel and pay him, you’re no friend of his. I guess that is why Rinder is his lap dog, Rinder grovels to him even though he hates it. But Rinder manipulates Marty and Rathbun knows that. He keeps Rinder on a leash. Knowing those two, one of them is going to cut the other’s throat.