We do not yet know how many lives have been ruined by the sex-trafficking nightmare that Tony Ortega and the Village Voice have been facilitating.
We do know that Ortega loudly ignored a petition of over 200,000 signatures delivered to his offices by honest people demanding that his publication cease it’s actions in facilitating prostitution and sex-trafficking via it’s cash-cow “Backpage” operation.
That hasn’t stopped him from falsely accusing others of human rights violations.
We also know that Ortega ignored my request to communicate openly about Marty Rathbun on this blog, instead of on the sly about “Rathbun and what he’s been up to,” as he put it.
Marty Rathbun relentlessly rants about fictitious “human rights” violations that remain invisible to all but a handful of conspiracy nuts, while ignoring his own complicity in supporting Ortega’s Backpage human-rights outrage.
Instead of answering up, Rathbun continues to rant about “corporate” mentalities while contributing to a corporation that is profiting from the worst kind of human degradation; and this while even former supporters of that corporation – such as a NY Times reporter – are calling the Village Voice and Ortega out on this unconscionable travesty.
But it shouldn’t surprise anyone that these two are hiding what they’ve done and can’t even address what they have been up to.
“The Criminal accuses others of things which he himself is doing.” - LRH
Ergo, the only mention of this that you will hear from Marty Rathbun and Tony Ortega are alarming and degrading claims about specious human rights violations elsewhere.
But all the mock indignation and self-righteous posturing can’t divert attention from the fact that they have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
Rathbun and Ortega continue to attack and degrade, but that is their nature.
“The Criminal Mind relentlessly seeks to destroy anyone it imagines might expose it.” - LRH
Those attacks include not only the Church, but now a NY Times reporter who called the Village Voice’s attack on him “disingenuous.” This of course was Ortega’s response as editor, instead of addressing the reporter’s revelations.
Needless to say, Ortega did not respond when asked for comment.
Rathbun’s response is to bury his head deeper in the sand and keep screaming and hope no one notices his hypocrisy.
“Rathbun continues to rant about “corporate” mentalities while contributing to a corporation that is profiting from the worst kind of human degradation”
Exactly the hypocrisy I mentioned recently, and exactly the kind of outpoint Rathbun won’t address. You won’t see anyone calling him on this except this blog, so keep up the good work.
He hates corporations because they represent actual production (and hates the government for not paying any attention to his paranoid ravings) but doesn’t mind profiting from a corporation who profit from extreme human rights violations – the REAL kind.
If you have read anything of Rahtbun recently, you can see that he has a lot to *hide*. No one goes that wacko without being surrounded by the fear of being *found out*!
I don’t think neither Rathbun nor Ortega care about any critical articles written about them. All they care about is seeing their names in the news. Do you really think Tony Ortega cares about how many kids are getting sold for sex? No, he doesn’t otherwise he would have done something about it. Do you really think Ortega knows the meaning of human rights? No, he doesn’t otherwise he would have investigated what the Village Voice Media is doing, but he can’t afford being fired, besides if Backpage shuts down VVM will go bankrupt and Ortega will have no job.
And as for Rathbun he never stops to show us how arrogant and stupid he is.
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One thing that Rathbun and Ortega share is their lack of a genuine courage level.
They are both pretending there is nothing there in the human rights abuses of Backpage/Village Voice, but both go on and on (for profit) about some dreamed up human rights problems in the Church.
You couldn’t have two more guilty characters caught in the act, yet they both pretend it isn’t happening at all or has nothing to do with them.
They are sure not going to publicize it by responding to the allegations.
You say – “But all the mock indignation and self-righteous posturing can’t divert attention from the fact that they have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.”
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That’s the amazing thing, that they just walk past this like it didn’t even happen and isn’t happening all the time. Criminal Minds is right. I think what’s really amazing is that so few people are pointing out what hipocrytes these two are. They think being on staff is a human rights violation, but theyre both cool with underage prostitutes being handed back and forth with the help of backpage, ortega is the editor of village voice for crying out loud, and rathbun is basically using the voice to advertise himself whenever he can.
Damn.
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It’s not just the “mentalities” he natters about, it’s their corruption and criminal acts. Now you know why he natters about that.
Rathbun KNOWS he’s been engaged in corrupt corporate support.
When it hits the fan, people like Ortega and Rathbun hide. Their only defense is not-is, because their true actions – when viewed directly – shine the light on their own corruption as beings.
This is something they can never confront, and will certainly never admit. You will see Ortega dragged kicking and screaming into admitting any wrongdoing, and he’ll still deny it, or say it’s all “legal.”
You’ll see Rathbun dragged kicking and screaming, too… only to the looney bin.
That’s practically the motivation behind all of Rathbun’s erratic behavior. I can’t imagine the missed withholds he’s got.
Neither Rathbun nor Ortega care one whit about “human rights”, I’m sure, except as another BS attack line against the church. Other than that, they could care less about it. Witness the fact that they both give real, substantial contribution to the whole backpage thing, and I’m sure neither one of them has lost a wink of sleep over the tragedies that come out of that.
Well, now we know that ““The Criminal accuses others of things which he himself is doing” is the whole reason behind Rathbun (and tony) attacking the church on trumped – up complaints about human rights.
You mentioned “We also know that Ortega ignored my request to communicate openly about Marty Rathbun on this blog, instead of on the sly about “Rathbun and what he’s been up to,” as he put it”
I checked that out and it really is creepy. I bet that he figured if Marty found out about it, he would just tell Marty he was trying to troll this site.
“while ignoring his own complicity in supporting Ortega’s Backpage human-rights outrage.”
He’s not only ignoring it, he’s out there promoting himself and attacking hard, hard to try to deflect attention from it.
It’s not just that these two “can’t even address what they have been up to,” it’s that they are incapable of it.
Basically, each of them knows it. But they are both so far south as beings they can’t afford to admit any wrongdoing, or they would practically implode.
I’m not the least bit surprised that Rathbun and Ortega hide on this. In fact I noticed Ortega had his legal rep basically attacking people who are questioning the company’s involvement, invalidating their facts, questioning their integrity, etc.
It’s almost a sure sign that they know they’ve been caught out.
They’re not approaching it honestly, and that’s not a new pattern for Rathbun.
I agree with the poster who said they are just after publicity. They’re both media whores, if you know what I mean. That’s all Rathbun’s been about his whole time.
He figures if he gets his name out there enough, it will turn into money for him somehow. Ortega is obviously all about money too.
They’re hiding as people, but you have to realize they’re lost souls.
Their hypocrasy is hard to believe, unless you are very very cynical. There is much of this in Eu currently, especially about religion, unless you are an attacker and then you see nothing wrong with it.
I’m on the record regarding the despicable nature of Rathbun/Ortega and their support for this human rights travesty.
I will say your comment about Rathbun’s “mock indignation” fits him to a T.
He mocks up indignation about a lot of things that he himself is guilty of, but points the finger elsewhere.
He wrote the book on the abuses he claims others are guilty of.
I’m glad you are not letting this outrage just slip on by. You can know Rathbun by his Criminal Mind, as I have said before on this site.
This time, hopefully, the focus will remain on what a culprit he is, screaming “human rights violation!” while what he’s contributing to is as filthy as anything going on in the world right now.
(and the things he’s screaming about is making law enforcement yawn. They’re not yawning about ortega’s paper now, though.)
Rathbun’s only in it for the money and publicity. It’s as plain as day. He doesn’t care about anybody but Rathbun.
“He hates corporations because they represent actual production”
Interesting take. I think you’re on to something there. I was just thinking he was a closet Marxist, but this is probably more to the point.
…and no one natters that loudly about every aspect of someone else’s life and activities unless they have many, many transgressions.
Very well said. But, don’t forget to add Mike Rinder. He is also sucking up to Tony Ortega and recently did some video interviews with the s#&mbag. Since the original articles were posted here about Tony Ortega, I started following the media about the sex-trafficking that the Village Voice is involved in and it is astounding. Just today, I read another article about a murder that was committed in connection with a prostitute who was advertising on Backpage.com. From all I have read, Tony Ortega will attack anyone who criticizes Village Voice over this issue. Sound like the same tactics that Rathbun and Rinder use?
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Or any other Criminal Mind:
“The criminal mind relentlessly seeks to destroy anyone it imagines might expose it.”
- or plays the victim so widely. That’s the motivator part of it. I saw Sam D going on about how she lost all her friends when she left the Church. (She didn’t mention how she had run off and tried to destroy it all, she just acts all poorly done by.)
He’s incapable of actually “caring” about other dynamics. He is inverted on them and can only destroy.
The situation with these two complaining about “human rights violations” finally makes sense with these revelations about how they are profiting from the disgusting sex trafficking scene.
I don’t know how they can look at themselves in a mirror.
It wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t go around pretending they’re good guys.
If these two even started communicating about this then they would have to answer questions, and they don’t want to go there. If they hide long enough, it will go away – black panther mechanism at work at least. More like they can’t discuss their withholds.
You say “But all the mock indignation and self-righteous posturing can’t divert attention from the fact that they have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar” but I don’t think they think they’ve been caught.
They will both try to say they are far enough removed from it they aren’t responsible. Only the last part of that statement will be true.
You’ve put your finger on it, Lion.
In Marty lingo, they’re both “sociopaths” and it rolls right off their back.
I’m sure their ONLY concern is possible consequences to them, not the effect on others.
“Those attacks include not only the Church, but now a NY Times reporter who called the Village Voice’s attack on him “disingenuous.” This of course was Ortega’s response as editor, instead of addressing the reporter’s revelations.”
I read the reporter’s account and the account of another website about this. It was a trivial attack on his “data” and a bunch of diverting generalities about how they aren’t liable, etc.
But it was an attack on someone who was finding out about it.
This is what you can expect from Ortega, and it’s Rathbun’s daily bread.
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Rathbun’s espousing anti corporate attitudes because they are a comfortable couch for his generality-think. Your point that they represent production is a good one, but what we’re seeing now is the criminal mind at work as the article at least implies.
We see that he’s happy to be faithful and contribute to a corrupt corporation as long as they forward his hateful ideas.
So he really doesn’t hate corrupt corporations at all.
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His definition of “corrupt” whether applied to corporations or governmental entities is “won’t believe/act on my paranoid delusions.”
That’s the key to the behavior you can expect from Rathbun and Ortega and *his* minions.
Good point, but we know Rinder is just an attack dog for Marty and is just following the party line, having abandoned any personal integrity he might have actually had at some point.
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The day you see Rinder disagree with (or even fail to forward) whatever Marty says will be the day he snaps back into valence and changes his life completely. I doubt he would even survive such a thing because you can bet he would never pick up the conditions and apply them to himself.
He’s bound by tone level and his suppressive nature to attack the constructive and forward the destructive. Even when he tries to make it appear he’s being “constructive,” there’s an underlying element of destruction. It’s unavoidable for him.
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I won’t give examples other than to just look at WHO he supports.
Tone scale wise they’re both on automatic destroy now. Plus they’re both being validated for it heavily by other SP’s and making money at it (and the whole prostitution thing.)
I see them just going past it and continuing to attack in any way they can. It’s a going concern for them.
The notion that either of them care about human rights is part of their false pr front. If they did care, they would go after the many, many human rights abuses that are occurring world-wide (not to mention the ones they support via Backpage.)
Both of these guys only care about #1.
Agreed, and they will direct their actions toward avoiding any possible personal repercussions for their complicity.
…think of it as Rathbun’s “Occupy Upstats…”
I see Rathbun has fallen to simply issuing personal challenges, like a bully in a schoolyard who is being ignored.
He can’t stand that.
Yes, the “victim” beingness is adopted naturally by those who individuated themselves, and you can really see it in Sam and other Rathbun lackeys – they have mocked up so many motivators they are victimized by them.
They stay in place because each one is founded on a lie.
After a while, one can only be a victim.
Talk about mocking up one’s own personal hell.
He didn’t seem all that “closet” about it to me. Of course, I didn’t read him too closely, but he seemed to be really digging into it last year anyway.
One thing I did notice was that he was nattering about out-exchange, while he’s making money producing nothing.
It’s not just Rathbun’s tremendous out-exchange.
Corruption is a constant thread in Marty’s operation. He paints it differently, but it’s there in almost everything he does.
I mean the core definition of “corrupt”
Actually, I can. Every time I read him I can practically see them coming to life. Plus, I can see him being missed for decades when he was on staff. Rinder, too.
Both of these guys thought their critical attitudes came from real, objective outnesses they observed, but we know they were from what was missed on them. Like the constant pretense of production for example.
My take on it is that both of them will count on the fact that it’s unbelievable. It’s like the “Big Lie.” Nobody can believe or confront that someone could do something that dramatically dishonest. It must be a mistake, so they just look away.
Now that I think about it, they count on that in everything they are up to.
So I’m sure they are both planning to skate just on that fact, few will have the actual confront to hold them accountable.
How about this definition that Rathbun surely never looked up:
adj: Containing errors or alterations, as a text
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verb: To destroy or subvert the honesty or integrity of.
She’s a devious one. She’s counting on people’s inability to spot the outpoints. If you read what she says and promotes and look at her actions, she acts more like a victimizer. Thus, her criticisms portraying herself as the victim. Poor Sam.
That’s enough of an outpoint to go on, and know Rathbun is a total phony.
Not to mention it’s a situation.
If a psych were to look over that one point about Rathbun (WHO he supports versus what he claims he is about) they would label him schizophrenic.
You can be sure A=A=A to these two. They’ll just keep cranking out any attack, all of them more alarming than the one from yesterday.
I think you would be safe to say that both of them have no morality at all, so they won’t connect with real trajedy, especially if they are involved in it themselves.
That will be surely the only thing they “care” about.
Can there be any doubt that Rathbun is a Criminal Mind?
Thanks, Philo. I say it’s worth looking into his ‘generality think’ as you put it to see what he’s really up to re finance, production, oppression of others, or whatever he’s criticizing there.
I think that’s a sure yardstick to look into all that she’s done to cause people to lose all their friends!
I agree, Lion. The only “human rights” they are interested in is their “right” to be criminals without being found out.
Oh, and I guess their “right” to make money from it.
Rathbun has a long, inglorious history of punishing those who actually produced whenever he got the chance as a staff “insider,” and putting people on post who would literally destroy the upstat producers. He even admitted as much at one point. He wanted upstat auditors trashed, worked to crash execs on a tech and ethics level, etc.
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So, I say you are fingering that well. He hates actual producers, and natters and whines about people not producing.
I notice that Rathbun himself doesn’t produce anything but idle criticisms.
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That’s when he puts it in writing. His vocal equivalent of that is calling people “punk” etc.
Schoolyard is right.
Now he’s lecturing on “advances in morality”!
That’s the “relentlessly attacks” part of Criminal Mind behavior. We’ll see plenty more of it.
I don’t recommend it to anyone, but I don’t ignore him. It’s too good a drill in data series tech to ignore. There are a couple of newspapers I read regularly for the same reason.
Plus it’s good SP tech practical.
“Rathbun relentlessly rants about fictitious “human rights” violations that remain invisible to all but a handful of conspiracy nuts, while ignoring his own complicity in supporting Ortega’s Backpage human-rights outrage.”
If you ever wanted a better example of criminal hypocrisy you couldn’t find it.
People – anyone with an IQ over 80 that is – can see right through him by now.
I check in on him for much the same reason.
That, plus it’s an object lesson on the dwindling spiral, especially when you look at who he’s dragging with him and how willingly they go into agreement with the most extreme anti-Scn natter and views that just get worse and worse as time goes on.
The fact is that he has shown his true colors, and people around him either won’t look, or pretend along with him that they are just practicing ‘independently’.
There was a (funny) blog posting here last year about how Marty and Mike aren’t really here to produce anyway. I think it was about Rinder the expert at outpoint spotting or some such.
The point is that the two of them just stand on the sidelines complaining and don’t produce anything but criticism.
When they were on staff, they didn’t produce either, but pretended they were getting products to maintain their status.
Perfect point. The “human rights” complaints were just a failed legal try by rathbun that he has tried to parlay into something other than thin air as a point of attack. It’s just another arrow in the quiver and he thinks as long as he can keep shooting arrows, one will land at some point.
The truth is Rathbun wouldn’t be able to clay demo “human rights” if his life depended on it. It’s just a label to him that he thinks is some kind of hot button that someone will pick up in the media. He tried to get law enforcement to act on it and they told him to go get a life.
you mention that “We do know that Ortega loudly ignored a petition of over 200,000 signatures delivered to his offices by honest people demanding that his publication cease it’s actions in facilitating prostitution and sex-trafficking”
and you would think that a decent person among rathbun’s choir would notice that number.
most of them were complicit in his sock puppet campaign on the white house petition scam. they all know how hard it was to get 5000 names and had to pitch in multiple times per puppet.
200,000 + real people taking issue with REAL human rights abuse in the form of sex trafficking (including minors allegedly).
but they go whistling past the graveyard.
my conclusion is that there isn’t a grain of integrity among any of the overts cases in rathbun’s camp.
That “advances in morality” is Marty Code for “do whatever you feel” and “there’s no such thing as an overt or withhold.”
god, his transparent hipocrisy just seems to know no bounds.
are we talking about the same guy that appears in the video up top?
But they are getting missed big time by all this. So their attacks will only get worse.
That’s what kicked them off in the first place, the fear that they would be found out.
That’s what I’m talking about.
The next time Rathbun, in a fit over not being paid attention to, tries to get law enforcement (or any govt agencies) to pursue the “human rights violations” canard, you can bet they will look at Rathbun’s active support of this Backpage atrocity.
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That’s probably a large part of why they are ignoring it and hoping it will just go away. It gives Marty even less of a leg to stand on, and he had trouble before because his claims were manufactured in the first place.
That’s the ticket
It’s about money and they can’t afford to lose that.
if anyone ever deserved to be ignored, it’s rathbun.
I mentioned him in an org today to three people, and none even knew who he was, so that’s a good sign.
It would be just like Rathbun, and the other geniuses he counts on, to trash the NY Times next, like they did with the FBI and government guys. That’s the kind of foot bullet that is a marty hallmark.
You might even think there would be a decent mother in his crowd who would see the light after this fiasco.
Sinestro: “Do you really think Ortega knows the meaning of human rights? No, he doesn’t otherwise he would have investigated what the Village Voice Media is doing,”
I think he has a better grasp of what human rights are than Rathbun, but that’s beside the point.
The point is that if he were really interested in human rights at all, he wouldn’t be violating them for money as he is now, and would go after legitimate human rights abuses instead of just re-publishing Rathbun’s black PR fantasies.
It’s all about attacking the Church and neither one of them have an iota of concern about the welfare of their fellow man.
Just the opposite in fact, they both wish to cause as much harm as possible to people.
They will skate to the degree that people can’t confront heinous evil. That’s how they’ve gotten by so far.
You’ve got a pretty good predict on their personalities. I will just second what you said there. I can see Ortega having to be forced to confront and or admit to what he’s responsible for.
Nice, Philo.
“His definition of “corrupt” whether applied to corporations or governmental entities is “won’t believe/act on my paranoid delusions.”
You are probably right on the money. Anyone who disagrees with him or doesn’t agree with him gets his full degradation and attack, too.
In all the years I knew him, Rinder was never in valence. Some people call it his arrogance. He’s just solidly been in a winning valence for as long as I knew him.
You can actually see him being a psych.
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Along with a lot of pompous (he gets more pompous daily) twaddle about art, science and “the evolution of civilization as a whole.”
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the psychotic neanderthal moron you see in the now famous video at the top of this very blog is pontificating about “the evolution of civilization.”
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Marty Rathbun, whose answer to even the slightest disagreement is to use FORCE (physical and verbal) is lecturing on morality and civilization.
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This has to qualify as another of Marty’s Greatest Hits.
I didn’t know you were paying such close attention to him, summer. But you’re right on the money.
His cohorts at their computers all subscribe to the canned facade that characterizes the bunch. A big part of that is “never notice an outpoint, but pretend everything is honest and upright.”
It’s part of the ploy to convince others that they are not what they are, which is faithless overts cases who are responsible for the state they are in, and who are guilty of all the suppressive acts they overlook.
Nice that you make the connection between their overts on the petition silliness and them now not confronting in the least the 200K real signatures on the sex-trafficking they support.
That’s a pretty good answer as to why they’re hiding.
Great point and comment.
To tell the truth, every time I’ve read their postings, about the last thing that would come to mind is decency. I don’t expect it except when they’re faking how good they are.
It’s all agenda driven, and if you aren’t part of it, you’re slammed hard or cut off. Real values like decency, compassion, honesty, responsibility just aren’t part of the agenda. It all seems to center around persuasion to me.
Part of Rathbun’s new civilization is not noticing his criminality.
I think it’s the latter. I also think they share his destructive intent, or are just too damn theetie weetie to confront it.
I’m with you, but newspapers are far better at burying the outpoints than Marty and friends, so it’s a better drill. Rathbun is too easy, and Rinder too.
Very good point. That is how the Marty Bluster and Martyr Routine works. You don’t even notice his corruption because you are concentrating on his criminality and stupidity.
I suppose it might be easy to steal other people’s production units when there are a lot of good people around to steal them from…then ruin because you can’t get discovered. What a horrible pair.
“We see that he’s happy to be faithful and contribute to a corrupt corporation as long as they forward his hateful ideas.”
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That nails it. In reality the whole corporate thing is a distraction. Corporations can be corrupt or good, can follow good policies or poor. Regardless: Generalities won’t do.
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Lion says: “That’s practically the motivation behind all of Rathbun’s erratic behavior. I can’t imagine the missed withholds he’s got.
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Philly says: Actually, I can. Every time I read him I can practically see them coming to life.
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Isn’t that amazing. That is the first thing that sticks out when you read the crap that he spreads so thick on his blog.
Don’t forget the “right” to be blaming others.
Typical of one of his nature in that he cannot look at what is right in front of him.