Commenters keep wondering why Marty Rathbun and friends never can seem to get any “training” or “auditing” services going. The day-to-day actions of this little group of apostates seems to be commiserating over their state and complaining about “the Church.” That’s their focus, that’s what they create, and none of them are moving at all in Scientology despite the charade they conduct about being “Scientologists” and paying lip-service to wanting to get case gain.
Each effort by Rathbun’s minions to set up a training “academy” has failed for lack of attendance. Try as they might to get something like this going (they need it to boost their false PR facade) they just can’t get other no-gain-cases to attend. It’s not just that it requires hard work and that the “friends” they draw to themselves have already proven themselves to be unwilling to do that. It’s that the “group” they are creating is composed of people who failed when they had the chance to get REAL tech, due to their own out-ethics actions.
Someone with clean hands actually getting gain is not going to run off (blow) and start broadcasting how “bad it all is over there.”
Know this when you see a laundry list of complaints from a Rathbun cult member. Know also that you are looking directly at Suppressive Acts. Know that only someone thick with overts would even think of doing this.
As LRH said, “This is the stuff of which Hades is made. This is the trap. This is why people get sick. This is stupidity and lack of ability.”
People should apply steps A-E when they are declared suppressive, rather than dramatize being so.
When you see someone touting their declare and “doubling-down” on their suppressive acts, you know that their declare was a correct one (no matter how much they might play the victim and list out the motivators they’ve been keeping in their little SP diaries for years.)
The first step for Suppressives like Rathbun and his little circle of failures is to STOP committing Suppressive Acts, not to increase the number and severity of the suppressive acts they commit, or seek the validation of other SP’s for doing so. And it sure isn’t to start actively supporting some of the most vicious, suppressive Scientology-haters in history.
They have, like Rathbun, Rinder and the other criminal minds they gather as associates, given up on getting case gain, and seek the company of the similarly miserable.
Committing Suppressive Acts is the only “training” that Marty Rathbun and friends have to offer.
“This is the stuff of which Hades is made…”
You can believe Marty wants that more than anything.
This is a great line, Vince: People should apply steps A-E when they are declared suppressive, rather than dramatize being so.
It’s so obvious it’s almost silly, but it never occurs to someone so buried in their motivators I guess.
Nice the way you stripped the sheep’s costume off Rathbun. That really is all he’s good for. He was busy raising up sp’s when he was on staff and he’s at it now harder than ever.
IMO, he just wants to take as many people down with him as possible, ’cause he knows he’s in hell.
That’s kind of funny the way you spotted that these people that believe Rathbun do everything but step A when they’ve been declared. Duh.
This is actually a pretty definitive answer to their academy dilemma. But you’re not looking at individuals who have been blessed with decent powers of observation. They probably think it’s because “the economy’s bad” or some other why-is-God.
“People should apply steps A-E when they are declared suppressive, rather than dramatize being so.”
THAT’S a keeper. It’s probably the best advice you could give to anyone at Rathbun’s bbq. That’s what LRH wanted.
Whether you like it or not, you can be known by the company you keep. People who support Rathbun are also supporting people like Caberta, Ortega, Bunker and a whole line of antisocials who would eliminate Scientology altogether. That’s not exactly on-source, I don’t care what your complaints are.
Rathbun did everything he could think of to keep Scientology expanding when he was in the Church. Now he’s nattering that the Church *isn’t*.
He wants it both ways. He’s also trying to teach others how to have a criminal mind.
most of these guys drink too much alcohol to go on course. i’m not kidding, that’s a factor. but the main one is what you say, these guys have already failed to get the tech and most are just plain squirrels, even the ones that don’t even try to audit someone else. they’re alter-is specialists and it’s just constant natter hidden as legitimate sounding complaints.
Great article, being declared suppressive is not a license to be as suppressive as possible.
“you know that their declare was a correct one”
Amazing that one of these guys wouldn’t notice that. When I see someone (like Cook) broadcasting entheta but acting like they’re a good guy, I always think of this. I guess real SPs never even consider that they are one.
Good article. This part is great:
“When you see someone touting their declare and “doubling-down” on their suppressive acts, you know that their declare was a correct one (no matter how much they might play the victim and list out the motivators they’ve been keeping in their little SP diaries for years.)”
Someone ought to email this out to Debbie Cook’s email list. The truth will indicate, if they haven’t gone totally out the bottom.
You put a lot of perspective into one nutshell here. This one datum pulls the rug out from any one of those apostates, no matter what they say:
Boy, the Rathbun outpoints just keep stacking up more and more every day. Well done on this one; I hadn’t simplified it for myself like this before.
I look at this page and see Rathbun beating people up in the corner, look at all the bad news he’s trying to spread all the time, look at who he’s connected with, look at how he can’t get anyone to take his squirrel training courses, and it makes me glad that you’re here pointing out what a psycho Rathbun is.
Keep up the good work.
Wow. This article is among your best, Vince. To say you hit the SP on the head is an understatement. It’s the perfect “anatomy of natterers” and the quote you use so really hard hitting. VWD!!!
You’e right, of course, Judy, that Vince’s article can’t bite with SPs as they are too far gone. But it will make the PTSers stop and think. Can’t help but do that. Vince paints a very clear portrait of Marty Rathbun and his followers.
I know, talk about missing the boat – these squirrels can’t figure out how to get on the gang plank!
It’s breathtaking how stupid the people are who step into Marty’s trap. Anyone so blind they cannot see that Marty’s proclivity for allying himself with known enemies, who regularly rant against and degrade LRH in the press, makes Marty himself an enemy of LRH should go hang by their feet in a cave.
The reasons for the failure of their efforts to get people to train are many. Not the least of them is the fact that their supervisors (e.g. Logan) have so many MUs on the KSW issue that they sit around their computers debating it, for crying out loud. Plus, after all those years and years he spent training, he never managed to raise his tone above 1.1, except for the momentary foray up to 1.5.
Even the NCGs they seek can see that and wouldn’t want to be sup’ed by him.
Have we mentioned yet how great the photo is? You’ve nailed it, man – Marty’s apparent “sheep” are really wolves in their own right. Don’t you wish everyone had the confront of evil to see that?
Nicely put! Great posts tonight too, folks!
They couldn’t even be standard in mocking up their courserooms and courses per LRH. So they’re probably scratching their useless heads wondering what went wrong. It never occurs to squirrels that they’re losing because they’re squirrelling. Plus they’re losing because they’re supporting Rathbun, one of the worst SP’s to come down the pike.
The only thing Marty and his sheep do is manufacture excuses. I have yet to see or hear of one of them who has done anyone any good. They sit at home (or in Marty’s “auditing” room) and bitch, moan and lie.
whatever they blame, you can be sure they won’t take responsibility for it themselves, especially rathbun. he’ll find a way to blame it on management. he never actually caused anything.
>>As LRH said, “This is the stuff of which Hades is made. This is the trap. This is why people get sick. This is stupidity and lack of ability.”<<
I've never seen this quote before and I absolutely love it. Can you post the reference?
Actually, Marty did nothing but attempt to destroy Scientology the entire time he was on staff. There are lots of good articles on this site about that. Start with “Marty Rathbum’s Legal Catastrophies” – there is a link on the right-hand sidebar.
Good observation. Marty’s a serious boozer and i notice he likes to gets his “pc’s” liquored-up too. Makes sense to get them as drunk as possible on their way out the door so they don’t realize they were both damaged and robbed.
Cook can’t afford to. Her whole game depends on making herself right, and applying the actual formula for SPs would be an admission that she is wildly off-Source – and likely was never on.
The quote is from HCOB 8 Sept 64 Overts, What Lies Behind Them?
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LRH describes the cycle of an overt in that issue, and emphasizes how vital this data is in clearing:
“The cycle is misunderstood word or symbol – separation from ARC with the things associated with the word or symbol – overt committed – motivator felt necessary to justify the overt = decline of freedom, activeness, intelligence, well-being and health.”
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Compare this to the photos here:
http://martyrathbunblog.com/debbie-cook-before-and-after/
suppression, entheta and other sp’s is all rathbun can create, face it. when did he ever do anything positive? I mean, ever? Look back when he was on staff even. can anybody name a positive effect or product?
it was all just pr then, and it’s all just pr now, only now what an sp he is really shows.
Rathbun seems to be the center of most of the entheta I’ve seen. Except for some I’ve seen where they even attack Rathbun for pretending he likes Scientology tech and LRH.
Too bad he was never as good at promoting the tech and Scientology as he is promoting suppression. I think his friends know what he’s really up to and that’s why they don’t do the training. They just can’t see themselves pretending that hard. What they can face is sitting at a computer and throwing out criticisms.
Rathbun promotes suppressives and is promoted by other suppressives, like Caberta. You are right, it is “sheep’s clothing” to pretend to “train” people in some academy when what you are really delivering is just some suction to the very bottom of every scale. It is fitting that it fails again and again.
rathbun doesn’t really want people to train in the tech. if they got the real tech, they would realize how full of it he is, especially if they trained on the o/w tech. that’s assuming they could get the genuine tech, which they can’t.
Plus the training they have been trying to get people to do is one Tech Degrade after another, beginning with squirrel “checksheets.”
Even if these apostates (good word) were able to duplicate and get gain, which they are not, why wouldn’t they opt to study the real thing rather than a shoddy, altered substitute? They can’t have it. They’re even wasting a substitute.
Take that further, TRex.
In that issue LRH also says that handling that cycle will “produce the gains we have described as being Clear, for the things causing the decline are cleared out of the being.” He’s talking about overts.
CONTRAST that with the fact that Rathbun avoids O/W tech like the plague, and it isn’t even part of his technical repertoire. But that doesn’t stop him from “auditing” people and even declaring them OT level completions without addressing their O/Ws, and in fact validating them and the motivators they hold to their bosoms.
School of Suppression is right.
You said, “It’s that the “group” they are creating is composed of people who failed when they had the chance to get REAL tech, due to their own out-ethics actions.”
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This is like a serious “duh” moment for these guys like Logan and Williams.
(“Hey, let’s set up an academy for all these malcontents and failures who are telling us they love the tech! What could possibly go wrong?”)
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Ever hear of the tone scale, guys?
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Did you think a little empire built on lies was all of a sudden going to become honest?
I’m with you on that. He’s been challenging the tech since the day I met him many, many moons ago.
“Know best” doesn’t fully describe it. How he can consider Rathbun an opinion leader is befuddling, except that Rathbun can out-1.5 him maybe.
“Someone with clean hands actually getting gain is not going to run off (blow) and start broadcasting how “bad it all is over there.”
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This is perfect advice for anyone who even starts to listen to natter like Rathbun’s or apparently earnest pleas like Cook’s.
It sure as hell isn’t “on-Source.”
He’s actively passing out the sheep costumes. That’s probably the biggest part of his day. The article is right. It’s the only “training” he delivers.
This is brilliant article. I plan to show this to my family, who are also on lines. There are simple but powerful observations here about Rathbun and his intentions.
Ouch! It’s bad enough that they failed, but your analysis of it has got to hurt Rathbun and his “training” experts if they read this.
I liked it. Keep it up.
JonO – never was a truer word said. The Rat wants company in the hell hole he has made. What else would he do but tell the unsuspecting that that it’s a warm cuddly friendly place where all is sweetness and light? The truth sure wouldn’t attract anyone.
Instead they voluntarily walk the plank, choosing that way out rather than confronting what they actually need to handle as beings.
I think it is more simple than that. They could not duplicate Scientology in a standard course room with all the sups and resources available to help them. So they know there is no way they are going to duplicate it in a squirrel course room – and they do know anything the Rat set up would be squirrel. They have given up.
Ain’t ser facs a bummer!?! “I’ll handle being an SP by committing more suppressive acts. After all, what turns it on turns it off.” Or whatever else they have running through their banks.
The thing that makes me laugh the most at Marty’s insanity is that while he is patently anti-LRH as you have outlined, one of his loudest rants is to accuse the Church of being anti-LRH. What has this pathetic excuse for a being actually done to promote LRH and his tech? Not a blessed thing. All he has done is harm.
It has always amazed me that this bunch of SPs take such umbrage at being declared.
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SP declares, especially with these guys, are virtually mechanical. You commit SP acts – you get declared. It’s all there in policy. They just need to look up the SP acts and accept responsibility.
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It’s kind of like getting a speeding ticket. You drive past the radar at excessive speed, you get a ticket. When you receive the ticket you look at the facts – there is the photo, there is the speed the vehicle was going, there is the driver. You knew the penalty before you decided to speed. So deal with it.
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But these guys think the handling is not to make the amends required and modify their behavior, but rather to now continue committing the offense as if, in some way, that will handle it.
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The SP declares that are issued are not trumped up in some way – they are the result of people committing suppressive acts – that the offenders usually admit to publicly. Nuts or what?
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If they are that smart. I think they are just lazy, caused by those things you mentioned; they couldn’t study, or couldn’t keep their ethics in while they studied, so turned into criminals. Likewise with auditing.
YOU’RE Wrong. I’m RIGHT and let me prove it, you’re wrong and I am proving it by doing it again, only see I did it worse because I am right and you are wrong. Repeat. Repeat. Those poor little heads of theirs.
Imagine that, an out-1.5 match, with a 1.1 twist no doubt.
Weird to even think of Source with the same mental motion as Rathbun. They are not even anti-thetical, as they are not in the same universe.
Rathbun and ‘experts’ in the same sentence. Good you had those irony quotes in their or I would be throwing up. Thanks.
I swear, if I defected to a Rathbun group and was put in front of an LRH document I would have to run out of the room. Just the first word would throw me. Just seeing the word Hubbard…well, Rathbun has nothing to do with LRH at all. Too weird that he pretends, but that is the liar in him always working to find an advantage.
I bet they know, just as I bet Rathbun wakes up in his baglady state completely oblivious to everything except wondering how he is going to drink himself to sleep in 18 more hours. The clattering of all his circuits have to make the days really long.
“Committing Suppressive Acts is the only “training” that Marty Rathbun and friends have to offer.”
Great line, Vince! And great post! This is, after all, the only skill Marty has, pressuring others into committing further suppressive acts. And you’re damn good at it, Marty! You’ve taken a handfull of individuals who are either uttlerly black-hearted or uttlerly unable to hold a position in space and you bullied them (sorry, that’ts the other thing you’re good at) into becoming first class lying traitors. Proud of yourself? I’ll bet!
Yeah, I loved the (lack of training) part too, Fuerte. I mean, what a joke – theise failed cases and cert-less “supervisors” are going to train somebody?? They can’t even train themselves to write up their o/ws.
There he goes – Cap’n Marty Hook!
Yeah, that describes most of ‘em. I really wonder how much money Marty gets out of them, tho. He’s got to be hard pressed to keep the lights on. I know several of his “followers” and they are not bright an unlikely to be be to afford even Marty’s sick brand of “help.”
Marty must be masquerading as Christine again. You know how he loves this site. Shoo, Marty! Back to your swamp.
Marty certainly never caused anything of value. Damage, yes, he was awfully good at that. Apparently still is.
“Know this when you see a laundry list of complaints from a Rathbun cult member. Know also that you are looking directly at Suppressive Acts. Know that only someone thick with overts would even think of doing this.”
This is my favorite quote from this article, Vince – that and the LRH quote. I appreciate you refering to Marty et al as a cult. FINALLY, a group deserving of the moniker.
If the PTS stop and read this little blog article, they won’t have to go much further. Best and most obvious line is this one:
“Someone with clean hands actually getting gain is not going to run off (blow) and start broadcasting how “bad it all is over there.””
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That’s all one has to look at. Listening to Marty and friends is listening to people who couldn’t get gain, even though each one of them had the means in their own hands to do so.
Plus, Rathbun’s a snake oil salesman and will say or do anything to keep making a living attacking Scientology. He’ll also support the most evil suppressives in their quest to Cabert-ise all of us.
I remain convinced that Marty has never actually read a full bulletin or PL. I don’t see how someone with that many crashing MUs could make it to the end of a paragraph. Look at Rinder – how enlightening it is to learn that Mike could never keep his eyes open in meetings while on staff and was continually falling asleep. If he truly does know that Scn works (he does not) then he would know what a snoring outpoint he is!
Technically, their purposes lead toward death. The glee they display is a mockery of real pleasure; it’s the inverted “pleasure” of the moribund.
I believe that freedommag.org has a whole issue posted online devoted to Marty’s crimes while on staff. Interesting reading. He must be tearing out what’s left of his hair over that! (You see, there is justice!)
If they could confront the smallest corner of their case (or their real ethics situation) they wouldn’t be where they are doing what they are doing. Who would hook up with Rathbun and think that’s pro-survival?
Rathbun & Co also manufacture lies and spin, not just excuses. The excuses they mainly save for themselves IMO. The attacks are for their own benefit also. As long as they can focus on blaming someone else, they won’t have to confront and take responsibility for their own stalled state.
Excellent article. In a nutshell, no one getting gain is going to blow and start broadcasting all their natter and motivators. It’s hard to get more obvious and truer than that. Look at the pictures of Cook on this site. Listen to her talk to media; she’s gone out the tubes since I knew her, and it wasn’t because she was ill-treated. She kept herself off services for a decade or more, probably keeping that little SP diary you mention.
I laughed about the little sp diaries and I can see them do it. I read someones statement at Marty’s blog recently and that is what it sounded like. Its too bad they couldn’t spend as much time at the MAA as they did to write all those things down for years.
Wow, there are much better things to do with your energy, like a self-improvement course for starter.
I practically choke laughing when I think of his training “experts” Fuerte mentions, and know why he put the quotes there. Williams has no business whatsoever training anyone. I’ve run into him many times and you’ve never seen a more “social” set of TRs. (Tone level = Fear.) Logan who was RPFed 4 times I think for out-tech, whose great pleasure in life is arguing the Tech (Tone level = sub zero.) Koon who thinks it’s a peachy idea to do courses on your iPad at Starbucks in between episodes of American Idol (Tone level = 1.1, social anyway.)
This is Rathbun’s idea of “standard tech.” Marty is a technical bottom-feeder who has the out-of-valence chutzpah to call ANYone else “radical.”
Thanks, Vince. I love this line: “When you see someone touting their declare and “doubling-down” on their suppressive acts, you know that their declare was a correct one…”
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It amazes me that some of Rathbun’s clowns can come out swinging with some of the most egregious Suppressive Acts, and at the same time whine about being declared Suppressive as though it were a false indication !
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I don’t know if it’s funnier that they do this, or that they can’t see the outpoint in doing so.
What I love is how the only time Rathbun and his minions pay attention to policy is when they’re whining about the rights of SP’s and the “justice” they deserve.
Type S personalities is what they’re called – using policy to stop. The effort to stop is the only thing that can get Marty and Mike & Co. interested in policy at any time.
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Keep in mind that Rathbun and Rinder are the two top-level insiders who never read (much less duplicated) the Books Make Booms policy in their combined 50+ years on staff.
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They were *never* interested in using policy to go, only to stop.
I’ve been looking in on Rathbun and friends for about 2 years now and I have to agree with your conclusion that “Committing Suppressive Acts is the only “training” that Marty Rathbun and friends have to offer.”
The encourage people to commit suppressive acts, openly instruct others in how to do so, and cheer when someone does. In fact, it’s most of what they spend their time doing.
This is what being an “independent” means in their world.
Every time I read these guys I can practically see them winking at each other as they pretend they’re interested in getting the Tech. They know (in my opinion) that it’s a sham, and you won’t see them breaking down Marty’s door for his delivery of whatever he’s squirreling this week.
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There’s a concerted effort to create a PR front for purposes of luring the unsuspecting (and pre-disposed by overts) into their little world as though it were a legitimate alternative to getting Source.
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Couldn’t be further from the truth. First step to joining is to commit overts so severe, you guarantee yourself that you won’t get any gain. You can run all the “OT” processes you want on someone who has committed suppressive acts and he’ll get exactly nowhere.
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After the initial glee of having your motivators validated by Rathbun in session, you are just more solid than when you started.
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It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law.
Anyone with sense does see it. Even the other bad guys see it, but they’re playing along, and have donned wool themselves.
correction – “to keep Scientology FROM expanding….”
he does it the day or night *before* the session to “get into arc” with them and show them a relaxing time and prove what a “gracious” host he is. ugh.
OMG — perfect… You are spot on there.
LOL! I have to agree, “if they are that smart.” They probably aren’t smart enough to realize that they never got the tech in the first place. Probably what we are looking at for a real reason for their lack of application if the tech is the deep apathy that exists in a being that knows it is dying and that it is killing itself. They are not using their minds to work out how to survive, but instead are using them to work out how to die.
Wow. That is a great precis that nails them clearly and precisely. No hacking away at them with a broadsword for you – you just thrust a rapier into their heart with that. I love precision work. Nice.
Compare what the Rat has done for LRH’s tech and image to what the church has done and is doing. His tech is now in all 4 corners of the earth in huge numbers of books distributed – books that are correct and contain glossaries making it easy for anyone that is not an SP to duplicate.
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You are right – Marty has done nothing but work to destroy LRH and his tech, while calling his actions ‘help’. What an SP.
I’d wager that most of these SPs have never read the SP acts in the ethics book, and if they did look at the words, they sure didn’t duplicate the meaning and intent of them. They see everything through the fog of their justifications and ser facs and simply cannot assimilate straight data. LRH talks about them in KSW 1, and many other places.
“As LRH said, “This is the stuff of which Hades is made. This is the trap. This is why people get sick. This is stupidity and lack of ability.”
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if someone had made debbie cook do this in clay, she might have saved herself a trip down the chute.
Thanks; and I’ve just moved “precis” to the forefront of my vocabulary.
Now I just need to think of ways I can use it.
I have to comment that it’s incredibly stupid that some slug would shout out a list of things he/she used to motivate himself to blow Scientology. That’s what they’re doing, but they try to make it look like they’re not blowing Scientology – by joining one of the worst squirrels and know-bests in history, and his circle of people just like him!
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It’s stupid because anyone with any real tech can see what they are doing. It’s sort of like an Apathy case pretending suicide in the hopes that someone else will imitate them.
Marty deserves the minions who would do such things, and they deserve him.
It’s no secret that he requires a broad declaration of suppressive views before he will trust someone coming into his blog.
Someone compared it to a gang initiation where someone had to go shoot someone before they could be accepted as real, and join the gang. They have to “prove” themselves.
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That’s how I see it every time one of these SP’s issues one of these transparent announcements.
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Cook is a different case. She’s an example of one of those trophies that Rinder/Rathbun have been working on for a long time because they knew of her disaffection (due to O/Ws.) She’s been assembling notes for years, and they’ve been working on her for years to complete her “doubt formula.”
I’m of the mind that most of these guys were only going through the motions for a long time. They couldn’t sit on course or in session and be there comfortably and get anything out of it because they had hidden (often VERY) out-ethics sits going on.
You know, like a guy who was supposed to be accomplishing things efficiently and economically, but hiding the fact that he was wasting funds and even getting kickbacks from sub-contractors, for one.
That sort of thing takes some real whoppers in the way of motivators.
Nice Sharpe, and precise. I’d call it a nice precis in fact.
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I would add that they also use policy to squirrel, but that’s another form of stop, I suppose.
lol.
“i’m NOT an sp, and here’s a suppressive act to prove it!”
cabert-ise: make it so any Scientologist can’t work or exist?
good word…shoudn’t it be Cabert-ize?
Good that you point this out; there’s a chapter in SOS that explains how those below 2.0 get “pleasure” from accomplishing their purpose to succumb. “Pleasure Moment” chapter I believe. It’s handy in the extreme, and I’ll re-read it.
Oh, but they are gleefully “free” of responsibility for their cases or ethics. That’s what you see anyway, even though it’s just an apparency.
When they are alone, they know it’s a bad, bad idea for them personally. That’s why I think they keep seeking re-assurance from the Martybots daily.
I guess they manage to not-is most of the scene and never notice that they’re part of a clique whose only purpose is destruction.
It is interesting how Rathbun manages to find only people who are willing to sell their souls for a little encouragement. It is like the person who visits a psych because they like when the psych tells them it is not their fault, it is someone else that causes their misery.
well put. the last thing that someone with clean hands really getting gain would do is run away from that and slink around with critical personalities. if they do, you know they don’t have clean hands and haven’t been getting any gain. it’s so simple it almost doesn’t need to be said, but for some people it has to be pointed out.
You are a little more gentle about this subject than I am. When one of these lunatics pops up and starts listing out all the bad things they’ve been storing up in their notebooks, I just think of them like another rodent that is no longer hiding in the wall – now they’re out in the open and you can slap them with a little SP-declare-spray. Yeah, they’re still 1.1 about the whole thing (pretending they mean well), but at least now they’re visible.
You are a little more gentle about this subject than I am. When one of these lunatics pops up and starts listing out all the bad things they’ve been storing up in their notebooks, I just think of them like another rodent that is no longer hiding in the wall – now they’re out in the open and you can slap them with a little SP-declare-spray. Yeah, they’re still 1.1 about the whole thing (pretending they mean well), but at least now they’re visible.
I showed this article to a few friends and they laughed. I know you didn’t mean it to be funny, but the outpoints you are highlighting about Rathbun and his fellow apostates does cause a laugh. Here is stupidity, all right.
no one ever said an SP had to be bright. one common denominator I see with rathbun and rinder and those who chum with them is a complete not is of the outpoints they are dramatizing. it’s sort of like if they don’t notice and pretend the outpoints aren’t there, their chums won’t notice either. I can’t believe they’re making money out of this, but I can believe they want to.
I love that definition of insanity by Einstein: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. When is Rathbun going to clue in that this same old crap doesn’t work? Squirrels have never been able to gather enough nuts together to do “training.” People committing SP acts and then expecting to “move up higher” never worked and won’t now. That’s just a different variation on the same insanity.
you are spot on with the observation that the only thing rathbun can school people in is suppressive acts. he did it when he was on staff and admitted it later. he put the most suppressive people he could find on posts he could control, and seeks these kind of people out. he’s a busy little suppressive who never creates anything constructive for my money.
>IMO, he just wants to take as many people down with him as possible, ’cause he knows he’s in hell<
I hope Marty read that. That so has the ring of truth it has to be a kick in the gut.
Very well said. It is pathetic that Marty’s sad little band of followers can’t recognize the smell of their asses roasting in hell.
He has a few people like Karen de la Carriere who certainly read them, just never considered the SP acts had anything to do with her. She was always an ethics type and was never in valence her whole time on staff. I can verify that from personal observation of her.
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I can see how the PTS fall for Marty. He’s such a chronic liar, he’ll say anything to promote himself and the fact that it is always by way of detracting from others is lost on these people. They are in Fear and that tone level, from my observaton, is among the most dangerous for they bring down with them the decent but missguided souls who reach out to help them.
I like to think of Marty as the slimy crocodile wirh the alarm clock in his stomach ticking away what is left of his 15 min of fame.
Depends where you learned English! And I would say CabertA-ize. Or -ise.
When I heard about Rathbun hooking up with Caberta I thought, this is it – this lunatic has finally gone so far over the line that not a one of his squirrel pals could see this and still believe that Marty is pro-LRH. And as far as I could see, they all bought his BS excuses, hook line and sinker. Just goes to show you where these squirrels are really at. All they want to do is steal from LRH and make money off his genius, his decades of sometimes heartbreaking effort and untiring devotion to help US – them included – out of this pit. These squirrels are crooks, plain and simple and Marty is Cheif Crook!
I wish I thought of that before an old friend of mine blew. I grieved for a long time over that, wondered if there was more I could have done. But I never saw it coming. If I had just looked at the fact that this person’s tone level had not risen despite going all the way (supposedly) to OT III, then I would have seen the outpoints and perhaps been able to do something to prevent her blowing. Thanks, Vince, for your writings and the quotes you find. They help me to see people like that in perspective.
I was very disappointed to learn that a person who had been on such a high post would be found to be such a traitor. But that happens to all groups. Bad apples, I call them. Every group has them.
It just reminds me once again, that except for wearing this false badge of courage, Marty doesn’t do anything except whine and bitch.
Of course. Only Ones. So Special. Horror stories and sad swaths of history are full of them.
I remember a few instances of trying to play a con on someone, to bring them down to my tone level in order for them to do what I want…bad move on my part and I’m glad people followed policy until I straitened my ass out.
Your point reminds me that people who are working to build a substantial 3rd dynamic so that they and others can have a great 1st and 2nd, are often too busy to get involved with the coffee-shop BS that these poor people suffer from.
Wow! Anatomy of Natterers. Brilliant name for a blog about these people. But study them quickly, for they slip into darkness.
“…why wouldn’t they opt to study the real thing rather than a shoddy, altered substitute? They can’t have it. They’re even wasting a substitute.”
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Perhaps your question was rhetorical. But I can just imagine:
Sup: So, what does this say on the top of the page?
Dramatizer: Well, it could say Hubbard but he wouldn’t have anything to do with this so I prefer to think that those symbols of the english language are one symbol so that there is no Hubbard but just a Hubbard Communications Office which must be a room of bricks and a door, you know. No way that this room could evaluate me and make me feel as stupid as I do trying to justify myself. And, furthermore, its and HCO Bulletin which is like the Daily Bugle, or, like I like to call Marty’s blog, the Daily Bungle. You can’t expect truth from a Bungle, so why a Bugle, and LRH himself talked about how the media will pick on good people like me and well, that is my thought about HCOB there on top of the page.
Sup: Yeah, well, OK. Can’t see how that would cause confusion. I smell lunch and could use a drink. Shall we just call this a Pass. Write up a success story in the Marty Praise style 4A format.
Mix in the Plague of Being An Only One and they will never get started. Imagine the barker at the front door explaining that it is LRH, but they can’t get LRH stuff and couldn’t confront the KSW in the front of any course anyway…I can’t go on. Too gross.
Thanks for reminding me Lorette. That was indeed a great catch. You usually have to ‘shop something like that, but it is obviously Marty as he transitions out of mumbling-baglady-spit-on-the-floor mode.
Hahaha-I can’t believe someone used Marty and ““train” people in some academy” in the same sentence.
Great Point! I wonder if Application of the Tech is anywhere on KSW, or whether anyone missed it…and what the earlier MU was.
HeeHee. Perhaps the Legionella pneumophila in the water in the gut of the croc.
Ick. That can’t be good.
I bet you are right. He wants hell for others because he must be living it himself.
It is like that saying: The thetan knows. In this case, the thetan knows they are playing some game to stay in the same condition. You can beat yourself up or give 1000% attention to them, but they are playing a game for whatever psychotically logical reason. Rathbun is the most gross example of that, almost wonderful to watch in his motivator magnet ways.
They have been caught in their own lies. Looking over the history of posts here, I don’t think there was a moment of truth for any of them. They all had the same compulsion: COB proved that I was incompetent, COB tried to be a friend with fairly applied Justice and other help, therefore I must stop COB.
It always gives me comfort to know that when you say they ‘accomplish’ their little purpose of succumb in the environment around them, that it is temporary. The trend is always toward a better group dynamic, a better set of policies, less control from above, more ability to use data and logic.
There is so much nuance in the way that anti-social people interact. Which came first, the motivator or the mistake that led to the withhold that led to the mystery of missed? None of it matters. They just decided to not keep their ethics in when confronted with one or another manifestation. DebbieMartyMikeandalltherest just didn’t stay in ethics long enough to find and follow the proper policy.
Now that is interesting. They only do this for their own purposes, eh? Wouldn’t it be great if they infested themselves?
“whatever they blame, you can be sure they won’t take responsibility for it themselves, especially rathbun. he’ll find a way to blame it on management. ”
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Isn’t that amazing. I didn’t know that anyone else noticed this, but it happens somewhere in every statement he makes. I wonder if he realizes how he is broadcasting how much of a wimp he is, and how foolish people are who follow him.
I suppose it is ancient history, but I read somewhere that Rathbun wasted millions several times just to satisfy his urge to be right, and then hide the fact that he failed to follow orders and failed to follow policy and failed to acknowledge that he didn’t know WTF he was doing.
“Every time I read these guys I can practically see them winking at each other as they pretend they’re interested in getting the Tech. They know (in my opinion) …”
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I don’t think you need to soft-touch this with a “in my opinion” at all. By their actions and results, they mock their own not-well-hidden lies.
MartyBot Validation. That is truly inspired detective work Partout. I kept thinking that Marty was trying to talk to me when he referenced Emilo Cordova Waxon-Waxoff. He is getting the bleating masses to blow more hot air into his Void of Attribution.
“…while calling his actions “help”…”
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Wow. What a precise description of the Marty Rathbun situation. That is probably the biggest thread in Marty’s life history. He constantly betrays, he constantly says, “I’m going to help you.” and he always betrays. Wow.
With this kind of information, how is it possible that Marty Rathbun is in any way associated with Scientology? Perhaps we could just come to the conclusion that he may have been an executive, but he was never a Scientologist or associated with LRH technology.
Justifying her overts is a full time job for Cook. I’m surprised she has time to make up all the lies she’s telling.
Of course your right scootman. Marty can’t create he can only enturbulate.
Marty is a sad sad man. Can’t create, can’t help, cant’t confront.
I started to feel a little quezy myself till I saw the quote marks.
Misery loves company.
“It is pathetic that Marty’s sad little band of followers can’t recognize the smell of their asses roasting in hell”
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You can thank me later for erasing what I just wrote about that picture of that person by the pool from some months ago.
“Who would hook up with Rathbun and think that’s pro-survival?”
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That is one Sharpe statement of fact!
No offense to Vince, who has written another great article on another important piece of news, but the whole story can’t be told in a few paragraphs. I immediately thought of the viewpoint that part of what Scientology academies deliver, and have delivered from the first day, is a trust and confidence of Ron. This cannot be duplicated by a bunch of scoundrels who had their asses handed to them as they slithered out the back doors of the Church.
“Oh, but they are gleefully “free” of responsibility for their cases or ethics.”
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Responsibility doesn’t have any logical place in a person or group whose only interest is proving that their former ally is wrong and that their previous anti-social actions were right.
“one of his loudest rants is to accuse the Church of being anti-LRH. What has this pathetic excuse for a being actually done to promote LRH and his tech?…”
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This is just another example of the excess proof that Marty can’t open his mouth without protesting too much. Marty is constantly showing his cards wide open, cards that show his duplicity. His rhetoric and rants are always announcing exactly what anti-social activity of his own creation he is try to hide.
Being follicly challenged myself, I will just let that comment pass.
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But imagine having to come back to reality realizing that you have been a spit-on-the-floor, mumbling bag-lady in a public place and the video is all over the interwebz.
Marty is a sad sad man. Can’t create, can’t help, can’t confront.
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Phew. How very true that is Pete. I think of these kids who can’t come up with a better way to make an effect on their world than tagging in comparison to a Marty situation: He has no way to make an effect on the world except for expressing his hatred against the one person who tried to help him…for years. Marty can’t DO anything. Well, yeah, drooling around like a baglady he can do. But I mean, like you said Pete, he can’t create a positive effect.
“Each effort by Rathbun’s minions to set up a training “academy” has failed for lack of attendance.”
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They won’t ever train anyone. If they did some might cognite and leave.
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“Look at the pictures of Cook on this site.”
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I hardly recognized her. She looks 20 years older than the last time I saw her circa 2008.
One reason none of these people will train is because they can’t study. Its better that Marty hasn’t been able to get them to train. Fewer SP acts. Now if we could just get him to stop doing what he calls auditing that would be even fewer SP acts.
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Having had a taste of Hades earlier must have fully whetted his appetite as he now fully resides there