Marty Rathbun and his Thieves
This was sent in by someone saying this describes Marty Rathbun and his squirrels to the letter. We agree and in fact it is just as applicable now as ever, and so are posting without any further comment.
It is from HCO Bulletin of 26 June 1956, The Organizations Of Dianetics And Scientology:
“Far-flung members of our organization often ask themselves (if they think about it at all) what they are buying with their book purchases or their courses or their processing. For one thing, they are buying the least costly and most important job of research which has ever been done on this planet. The real reason that Central Organizations process people for a fee and train people for a fee is to disseminate the capabilities and abilities of Scientology. But the secondary reason, which becomes primary in the Central Organizations, is to buy organization itself and to advance the science. The reason that we object to “squirrels,” people like the Communist Association of Dianetic Auditors in California, is because they do not pay their way. We find their papers full of the materials which were hard won by myself and the Central Organizations and yet we have nothing but debits on our records to show that they passed our way. These people have as their major fault no cognizance of effort. These people also have given us ample experience of financial irresponsibility. People such as our best-known squirrels are perfectly willing to snatch our hard-won materials and misuse them, but they are not willing to support the effort which brought these materials into being. In other words, their existence is parasitic. Completely aside from the perversion of materials, this is what we have against them. Fortunately they number one in thousands. Their lies, stupidities, vilifications are all a statement that they are unwilling to pay for what they use. They are cheap. The rest of us paid our way and we have won.”
L. Ron Hubbard
“…squirrels are perfectly willing to snatch our hard-won materials and misuse them, but they are not willing to support the effort which brought these materials into being…”
That’s the story of Rathbun in a nutshell, and he screams loudly when other people do support the effort. He is a parasite pure and simple.
Rathbun is essentially a thief. That’s why he is so nattery and has to try and make less of the organization all the time – to try and lessen the target of his overts.
It does not work Marty. And you’ve dragged your wife into committing the same suppressive acts.
Good points Chuck B. Things like that are bad enough by themselves but together they point out that Rathbun just oozes slime with no real regard for others.
And a strong intention to turn others into criminals also.
Good call. Criminals love company it helps them lesson the overt.
Criminal minds tend to associate, per the HCOB.
Rathbun’s the best at thinking up justifiers that I’ve ever seen.
That’s all he’s got to live for. Take that away and he’s melt like The Wicked Witch of the West.
You’ll push Marty’s macho buttons with that witch remark. You should say warlock, or he’ll call you a “punk.”
A true master of the art, he is. Too bad for him that it requires so many cycles from his already diminished processor. I’ll bet that Marty doesn’t have a single thought that isn’t also immediately followed by some triggered memory of an anti-social act, an immediate wonder if “X” found out and then a bunch of cycles on justifying it in case X were to come by just that moment.
Oh, Mister Rathbun. I just realized that what Scott says is true. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but this is probably for the best. If you had any more processor cycles free you would abuse them in some way that would only hurt you more.
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Suffice to say, we know. Everything that you are trying so hard to hide is obvious from your tortured writing.
It’s a knowing search on Rathbun’s part, for ways to invalidate. A good description of a madman.
“Rathbun’s the best at thinking up justifiers that I’ve ever seen.”
Based on what I saw the last few times I tuned into Rathbun, he’s got some help with thinking them up…it seems like that’s the purpose of his blog.
Rathbun is the parasite described in the quote, and the other squirrels he’s hooked up with and “field practitioners” are unabashed parasites. They not only operate on a “rip off” level of exchange, they alter and make the tech unworkable. LRH spotted them well as “squirrels,” and spotted their criminality at the same time.
Hey Philo. Nice comment. I just finished one on a Posh mention about Marty and his Motivators. It got me onto his constant justifications. So, in the spirit of every nail needing a hammer:
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You said: "They not only operate on a “rip off” level of exchange, they alter and make the tech unworkable."
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I can just imagine their handling of a session. To begin with, they probably aren't all that genned into the materials to begin with. They can try, but... They don't have the checksheets, they have only their own version of importances, they already know that they can't get real qual so they have to justify any potential uncertainty or error that they commit, causing back-off for using real tools that they don't really understand. Eventually, the only certainty is that it doesn't completely work so they have to add some unusual solution - which puts them on the same path as psychiatry and psychology; a dose of Jung, a doze of behavioral, why don't I listen to your dreams for a while, you know, Rinder thinks that a little marijuana is fine? I have found it better than hypnosis, which doesn't seem to be working for you. Do you still have those suicide thoughts as you drive around? what about while you're in the mall. I'm so glad you aren't yelling anymore...oh, just a little? Well, you're getting better, I think. Maybe if you wrote a success story. I have one right here that you can model from.
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Poor Martyr Marty. Poor squirrels..
Interestingly, there are some who have done full training, who did, for example, operate as field auditors for a time, who were in good standing and at one point did produce ostensibly good products. Not that many, but a few.
But the O/W’s they stacked up (quite probably on this very exchange factor being discussed) got them into untenable games conditions with the Church. Lotz is a good example.
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How he sunk from being a reputable auditor to being able to support Rathbun and his overtly suppressive actions and connections is astounding. What must his mass of justifiers look like?
I’m sure there are those among them who don’t consider themselves squirrels. Of course there are those who think the tech is a smorgasbord of processes one can use whenever and however they want, and are proud to be “squirrels.”
Having been a squirrel and SP-watcher for a long time, I immediately thought of several personalities when I read your comment. I won’t go into names, but the smorgasbord comment was perfect.
Someone else mentioned a kind of glee. I’ve seen that when certain people have blown and started squirreling, and you can find some of that on the net if you look. The misunderstoods they reveal on the Tech is phenomenal, even when they are trying to be dead serious and dedicated.
That’s kind of a KSW nightmare, and don’t forget that it is intentional. I’m still scratching my head over Rinder indicating it’s ok to take dope.
His wife is not the only one. In order to be accepted as legit by Rathbun, one has to commit suppressive acts to “prove” him/herself. Thus the suppressive declarations he prescribes for each who want to join in.
It’s been compared to a gang initiation in which a prospective member is required to commit a crime in order to prove himself and gain entry.
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It’s no less criminal.
that’s true, and very much by design with rathbun. if you look at it, it’s not just a gang thing, but the work of an implanter.
Yes! Exactly right.
“to try and lessen the target of his overts.”
If Rathbun and his thieving friends and suppressive associates (and any out-ethics types who start to buy into their motivators) just understood this one datum, they would simply go get handled and thus resolve the suppressive games condition they are in.
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Instead, a handful get caught up in it and don’t see the forest for the trees, and will end up nowhere as a result. (or worse than nowhere.)
Anybody who hooks up with Rathbun (or any other squirrel for that matter) has got to have a pretty strong not-is on that datum, or they would cave.
At some point someone who does this is in for a pretty strong awakening, and it won’t be pretty.
Some of them eventually will cave, I’ll bet. Others will try to make themselves right forever and just sit off the Bridge because of it.
rathbun certainly has no shortage of overts, if you base it on the amount of natter he puts out. and look at the range of things he natters about. to him it’s all just a generality, I guess and he’s against everything to do with orgs.
“Rathbun is essentially a thief. That’s why he is so nattery…”
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This is observably true. Of course he compounds his overt by misusing what he took.
It’s a double crime. Stealing the tech and then altering it. All that’s left is his declaration that he has made it better. The trifecta of suppression.
Yep! and why he feels he has to add pieces of other philosophies. He thinks it makes him look smart too.
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Hide Marty. Hide.
rathbun’s got a big, big button on looking smart. he went nuts after the squirrel busters videos that showed him chewing a toothpick and not able to think of anything to say but “you’re on fire, keep going”.
even his friends were (ever so gently) hinting that he should have thought of something to say, but he couldn’t. he was embarrassed, and it really pushed his “smart” button.
he dedicates himself to reading and copying the language of others so he sounds smart.
Rathbun’s thievery is surely only a small part of what causes him to natter. Yes, Scientology (parasiting of) is his raison d’etre, but you know he’s got some seriously nasty crimes under his belt.
“…and he screams loudly when other people do support the effort.”
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He certainly does, doesn’t he. Must really hurt him. I think I’ll do it some more.
Good plan. That’s the Flourish and Prosper option.
Is this an invitation to compare the Flourish and Prosper statistics of the Rat? I just can’t though. There is just no area of similarity.
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Not the same philosophy.
Not using the same techniques.
Not the same ethics caliber.
Not the same …ah, I could go on but Rathbun’s Venn Diagram doesn’t intersect with the Scientology or LRH except for the wild assertion of Rathbun’s that he is somehow associated with the philosophy. Where else would he get the mojo that attracts attention except by using his failings before leaving the Church. He’s doing continuos criminal things – just as the actions were that got him demoted and eventually excommunicated – so he does a “Look over there” trick. Done with him.
He counts donations from middle-aged no gain cases, and hits on his entheta paypal button as his f & p stats.
Thanks, great quote. I wondered where it was that LRH called Rathbun and these others parasites, and there you have it right from his mouth.
Certainly Rathbun will write an exposé that explains why it is OK to parasite and mutilate something that he neither understands or has any association with.
Oh, Rathbun and his thieving associates have been going on about this for a long time and in fact don’t even mention it any longer. As far as they’re concerned, it’s a settled matter and the tech belongs to them and their thievery is all justified inside/out and upside/down.
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It’s in fact one of the bigger slaps in LRH’s face they’re guilty of. Add to that the grotesquely arrogant debates about which points of KSW are valid, whether one can “short-cut” the OT levels, what’s valid as a meter read, why it’s not vital to actually do training, etc. and you’ve got a better picture of just how degraded, unworkable, and squirrely they are technically.
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You have to be pretty far below 0.0 to do all this and also to justify Rathbun’s active support of would-be Scientology-destroyers and not notice how far down you’ve gone. But Rathbun and his thieves have managed it, and kid themselves into thinking they’re “moving higher.”
“Oh, Rathbun and his thieving associates have been going on about this for a long time and in fact don’t even mention it any longer.”
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Did they ever mention it?
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They actually have no rights to this intellectual property and are lucky they haven’t been sued.
They’ve tapdanced all around it, including coyly avoiding using authorized checksheets, rationalizations ad nauseam about how the tech is meant to be used (twisting Source quotes, etc.) and the role of free information on the internet, etc.
It’s a settled deal as far as they are concerned (as long as they manage to skirt trademark/copyright issues) and they have a *right* to the tech.
No matter how it is justified it’s stealing. It’s no less a crime that ripping off a car and repaining it and declaring it yours.
Rathbun and friends have talked about this a lot. In fact I’m tired of hearing all their justifications. It’s still theft, no matter how they cut it. Plus, since they didn’t contribute to the effort and get everything without exchange, they really don’t respect it.
This is what’s at the bottom of the squirrel’s complaints about money.
that plus a lot of serious financial “irresponsibility” as LRH says. I say many of these friends of rathbun blew after serious money o/w’s too.
Including theft, and finding ways to make personal gain, etc.
Yes, good find. It’s a keeper. I’m reading the whole issue now.
It’s a great issue and highly recommended (by me.)
One of the great passages particularly applicable to Rathbun and his fellow parasites is this one:
“For the survival of the subject itself, it is vitally necessary to carry forward and maintain Central Organizations not only in Washington and London, but wherever auditors are trained to be auditors. We have proven this over and over and over again. The further the subjects Dianetics and Scientology go from source, the less workable they become.”
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Compare this to Rathbun’s invalidation of Orgs, his inval of Source as an individual and as Source (making himself the High Priest Interpreter for all) and the unworkability of the “tech” that he uses (but calls Scientology.)
It’s out exchange criminality, and like a criminal, Rathbun even accuses others (like this blog) or “vampiring” off of him. I think he’s even called it a parasite. Rathbun’s Criminal Mind again.
Oh my! what a disaster he is. Marty can’t help but reveal the things that torture him inside. Imagine a “What did you do Marty?/Why was that OK?” session with him. It would have to be catered. It would take days to be able to break at a flat point.
The last thing Rathbun wants is “to disseminate the capabilities and abilities of Scientology”.
He just spends his time slandering it and making a mockery of it with his squirrel “services” that are designed to make people think it doesn’t work.
OMG Posh! I never figured that out – that Rathbun’s incompetence is by design!!! Holy Shyte. And while I read this, I was listening to this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GciKkJaCGXo
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you are haunted by the turmoil of your light
walking circles, crossing lines
and it is tearing up your souls, all this fury.
jumping hurdles, just to abide
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you are turning into sorrow with opinions and opinions
nobody can hear you nobody can hear you.
this is psychosis, this is psychosis
this is a jigsaw blown apart
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you are the ghosts of utopia
you’re the conquered start, the divided hearts.
you are the ghosts of utopia
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every time you learn you don’t regret
all your hurting, all your debts
cause the wipe and kiss won’t help you to forget
the emergency of your secrets and your trash.
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you are turning into sorrow with opinions and opinions
nobody can hear you nobody can hear you
While I’m not a big IAMX fan, it’s well spotted. Not what he meant, of course, but Corner does describe a metaphorical Marty.
Weird, but interesting. “it is tearing up your souls, all this fury” – is probably the best part. But Rathbun pretends it’s doing his soul some good.
Ha! I’ve never heard of these guys or heard their music. But that “This is psychosis, this is psychosis” could be put in a loop and played for Marty after every thought or motion that he makes.
You’re right – it’s sort of like that apathy mechanism of attempting suicide in the hope that others will try it and succeed. Good old Rathbun.
Rathbun works pretty hard against dissemination. I think he tries to counter it with all his slander about Scientology. That’s his kind of idiot think.
Remember how he attacked the new Dissem center and the products coming out of it?
He’s as good at dissemination as he is at legal. Which is to say, .
it’s all just for show with rathbun. yes, he makes money from it too, but he’s just trying to look like someone who is on our side (using Scientology) so we don’t see him for the hater he is. that’s the bottom line.
“These people have as their major fault no cognizance of effort.”
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Thanks for this reference Vince. No cognizance of effort explains a lot. Why they can bloviate, yet never get an essential in like a course room, or a Qual. Or a C/S. Or a plan that includes getting any other support for a broadening public…which I guess Rathbun doesn’t need since he really doesn’t have a broadening public.
No cognizance of effort is correct, and no exchange for it. What’s worse, Rathbun is taking that effort and perverting it and trying to kill it.
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It’s reminiscent of a quote from Crichton’s Jurassic Park (Dr. Ian Malcolm) who said:
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Except in Rathbun’s case, he alters it, discredits it by interposing himself between others and the Source material, and does it all for show (and profit in the meanwhile.) His real interest is in the vaporization of the Tech altogether, along with any hope others might have of using that Tech to gain their freedom.
Interesting – except that Rathbun didn’t accomplish anything either, except altering the Tech.
Yes, the quote falls down there, but he is parasiting, and standing on the shoulders of a genius, and steals everything he has from him, essentially.
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Plus, Rathbun doesn’t even have the good grace to defend LRH against the haters he is in league with, like Caberta and Ortega, and Bunker, etc.
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I for one approve of the pic of rats at the head of this article.
Eventually the picture will need to be replaced with one of the rats chewing each others heads off, which is what they do in the next phase when they start noticing the betrayals that Marty is committing. They will think that he must be getting his payoff somewhere and that they are being left out.
“His real interest is in the vaporization of the Tech altogether”
Nice – you reduced Rathbun’s real intention into a sentence.
“Thanks for this reference Vince. No cognizance of effort explains a lot. Why they can bloviate, yet never get an essential in like a course room, or a Qual. Or a C/S. Or a plan that includes getting any other support for a broadening public…which I guess Rathbun doesn’t need since he really doesn’t have a broadening public.”
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And this is why squirreling doesn’t work. They have the basic overt of the theft of the materials in the first place so the whole operation has at its inception an overt.
Sweet. It all fits together, doesn’t it?
No cognizance of effort, and feeling free to do whatever they want and be as out ethics as they want while attacking those who work to do something positive. That wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t have the nerve to criticize the Church and people who are in-ethics.
Oh, but yeah, he is trying to sell it, after altering it and parasiting off of LRH and all his research.
“Oh, but yeah, he is trying to sell it, after altering it and parasiting off of LRH and all his research.”
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No question that he’s trying to make money from selling stolen property.
“Completely aside from the perversion of materials, this is what we have against them. Fortunately they number one in thousands. Their lies, stupidities, vilifications are all a statement that they are unwilling to pay for what they use.”
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Great quote. This part says to you all you need to know when you hear Rathbun speak.
“Fortunately they number one in thousands.”
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Rathbun reads a line like that and wonders what he is doing wrong. He would love to have 1 in 1000′s. He would love to have 1 in 100s. He would love to have a hundred. We are in the company of fundamental stupid, and high-quality incompetence. Rathbun can’t even get into the same groove of nasty that LRH thinks he could be.
Not only has Rathbun ripped off the research and invalidated it (justifying his theft of it, I guess) but he works to disperse it into nothing with song lyrics, altered other practices, and airy fairy sweetness and light, and embracing any and all practices including psychology.
He probably is too far downscale to notice that this has a lot to do with why he’s failing.
There is also a great quote from LRH about how when the squirrels scream about a program you will know it is a good one.
I think this about the Ideal Orgs with Rathbun and his friends. Also, you will see this in many of the things he complains about. He is not just a suppressive squirrel, but he is a suppressive in pain wherever he sees the Church doing well.
Rathbun is so busted by LRH in this quote.
Consider yourself busted Senor Rat!!
It’s great to read this, because it’s too easy to lose sight of when you consider the squirrels like Rathbun.
They’re not just degrading the tech, they’re stealing it and degrading it. It shows just how criminal LRH viewed their actions, on an exchange level particularly.
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Compare and contrast this with Criminal Mind Rathbun going on and on about money.
Not only has Rathbun snatched the hard won materials and used them, but he never actually trained in them in the first place.
Squirrel upon squirrel upon parasite. The guy is a wreck.
There’s that one element to training that a Marty type just can’t get. Because he can’t admit that he can make a mistake, he can’t get past a certain point of understanding. Everything he does all falls over from there.
this is a great quote, and there’s more to it when it comes to rathbun and his fellow squirrels. I’ve noticed the glee with which they handle the materials LRH researched and developed and even worse, the fact they feel they are entitled to it.
it’s gross theft, and since they didn’t earn any of it, don’t give it any real value in their minds.
I’d guess that LRH was too polite to say that this is what happens when these type of people can’t avoid swimming in their own bile day in-day out.
It is the view of a vandal, I agree. There’s no exchange for the hard won creations/possessions of others, so no value attached.
Add that to their basic squirrelliness, and you’ve got a formula for destruction of the tech.
I love this quote…it could be part of Rathbun’s epitaph or obituary. You could add this as the last word on his squirrelling and combine it with all his suppressive acts and you would have a complete picture of him and what he has done.
Nice mention of “people like the Communist Association of Dianetic Auditors” – - – if you read some of Rathbun’s marxist class-blaming you can see he’s not far off.
I’ve noticed. His politics/socio-economic views fit his position on the tone scale, and are replete with ARCX generalities.
And your statement Lion, is replete with a sincere truth about an insincere person.
Rathbun’s got the same ideas of ownership, which is to say, “nobody really owns anything” (but Marty, because he’s a little more equal than others)
Nice Animal Farm reference. You know he thinks he’s “more equal.”
This is a favorite quote of mine about squirrels. This is where the parasitism viewpoint comes from, and explains why Rathbun was complaining about others “vampiring” off his name. We have seen time and again that when Rathbun complains about something in someone else, he’s got that going himself, in spades usually.
I remember when he was whining about that. He even got his previously strong wife to sink to his level and start whining too. There were threats too, weren’t there? Once again, into the breach the Martyr goes, only to find that he is composed of wet dust where gun powder is needed.
Yes, Rathbun tried to get this very blog shut down using Mosey to front for him, using specious arguments (which were ignored, I believe.)
He didn’t have the stones to do it himself.
So much for Rathbun and “free speech.”
Standard bully behavior, which Rathbun excels at. He wants to hit others without them being able to hit back. Pure cowardice.
If Rathbun couldn’t suck life and power out of Scientology and LRH he would have nothing.
No, they do not pay their way, and they won’t. They won’t get anything out of it either, and not just because they are squirrelling the tech, but because they didn’t exchange for it. This is a basic that Rathbun really doesn’t get, if you read him.
“No, they do not pay their way, and … they won’t get anything out of it either, …”
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In theory and it seems in practice as well. They’ve been hitting their high notes for years and don’t have a thing to show for it; no case gain, no life without crime, no quality control, nothing to quality control, no nothing.
I don’t believe rathbun and his squirrels are eventrying for these things. Their purpose seems to be only to tear down Scientology.
What an absolutely great application of a great quote. Marty is trying to make his name off the backs of LRH, the Sea Org and the millions of Scientologists who not only see the need to contribute they want to contribute. The idea of exchange is foreign to suppressives and therefore is foreign to Marty.
He looks also to be working hard to get others to go out exchange also.
I think Rathbun knows he is a thief, and doesn’t care. It’s all a scam to him and he’s just trying to cruise around the edges of legality with the materials.
He could care less, and doesn’t think the tech works. That’s my thought on him anyway. He couldn’t really overlook LRH and what he said about suppressive acts and carry on the way he does if he really thought it worked.
Nice quote by LRH and this should give pause to anyone who hears Rathbun’s entheta and finds themselves buying into any of it. You know that he’s just up to no good. He can’t even steal the materials and get a product with it. All he can do is complain about those who do.
This is a truth about Rathbun and his squirrel friends, but it is not the whole story. He is a squirrel because he can’t do anything to actually make other people better. He only plays with the tech to make it look like he is a Scientologist IMHO.
The whole story is that he is an attacker trying to pretend he “cares” but he doesn’t. He’s worse than a simple attacker who at least admits what he is and does.
LRH had Rathbun-types spotted as early as the 50′s as you can see. There probably always will be people parasiting off Scientology and the truths involved. There’s nothing new with Rathbun really.
All these squirrels fade sooner or later. They can’t help it because what they do is based on lies, and they can’t get gains from what they do anyway.
True, and I’m with you on this. I’ve been watching these types for almost 40 years now, and they come and go. A few manage to stay alive despite the squirrel “processing” they deliver to themselves, but it ain’t a pleasant site.
I saw one recently who’s been squirreling for over 20 years that I know of, and there’s absolutely no change in him, except for aging and looking worse. He was dispersed and stupid, and had been a bright guy when I was acquainted with him. NCG is common among these guys.