Amongst his recent spate of fabrications and justifiers, Marty Rathbun confuses staff discipline with how a PC is to be audited in session. He complains that staff members aren’t being treated the way a PC is handled by an auditor. He’s hoping that the uninformed (and I include here the “independent” practitioners he pretends to be aligned with) don’t notice that this is just another ignorant twist of his in an effort to criticize and degrade.
Being on staff is NOT, of course, being a PC. A staff member conducts himself as though he has no case at all. The policy is that “there is no case on post.” This is basic staff rigor, at any and all levels, and one of the primary reasons that Scientology organizations are as effective as they are.
Rathbun likes to gnaw on this point largely because his conscience is gnawing on him. Rathbun was and remains notorious for the way in which he mistreated fellow staff whenever COB’s back was turned.
But this also gives us a better glimpse into why Rathbun himself was such a failure on the projects he worked on when he was on staff, and how he would find ways to justify, for example, his waste of many millions of parishioners’ dollars. Marty wasn’t being an effective staff member because he was being a “PC” on post, and resented not being handled like one – while, at the same time, working hard to hide the abuse he heaped on others.
Can it be any wonder that he objects so strongly to security checks that uncover what a person is hiding from his group and others? Rathbun spent a couple of decades hiding the fact that he didn’t understand Scientology basics, and can only try to compare Scientology principles to Psychology texts and principles now, even going so far as to imply that some of them were the unaccredited source of LRH’s discoveries. Unable to make Scientology work for him, Rathbun reverts to a psychology framework to try and understand life and the mind – or more likely, to try and find an excuse for his own severe aberrations that doesn’t force him to be accountable for his actions.
This and his other criticisms of virtually every pillar of Scientology Technology show that Rathbun never himself got the gains available from an honest understanding and application of the principles of life and the mind that are Scientology. From basic Objective processes, to Advanced Levels (that Rathbun glibly exposed himself to) there is no part of the Technology that Rathbun hasn’t tried to undermine, while posing and promoting himself as the new High Priest of “independent” practice, and the “savior of the subject.”
Even a second-year Psychology major would throw Rathbun’s opinions in the trash bin realizing that he is only reiterating parts of a few texts he’s read and rehashing useless hearsay from those who have never gotten or given real gain despite their solemn academic rhetoric.
The blatant hypocrisy of this loony-tune Rathbun is truly staggering. Great point that he never understood word one about Scientology.
Like the photo! It really captures the crazed hate I’ve noticed in so many of the photos and videos I have seen of Rathbun. It’s easy to see how the rage in him stems from all the OWs that in turn stem from DECADES of MUs.
How the hell would *Marty* know how an auditor treats a PC?? Mr. Read-Drill-It-Screw-It-Up himself??
“He’s hoping that the uninformed (and I include here the “independent” practitioners he pretends to be aligned with) don’t notice that this is just another ignorant twist of his in an effort to criticize and degrade.”
Good one! Is there any group Marty won’t pretend to be a part of if it will buy him publicity and somehow line his wallet? I’m thinking no!
>> Marty likes to gnaw on this point largely because his conscience is gnawing on him>>
Gotta beg to differ on this one, Vince. Marty has no conscience. And I think he honestly believes he is Saint Marty the “Savior of the Subject” He is far, far off the deep end this guy.
Marty really does have the “high priest” look about him, right down to the near-bald pate. The psych references he makes actually surprise me. He’s become so obvioius, throwing LRH under the bus in favor of some psych’s views. Is there anything more telling in an SP than when he allies himself with psychs?
If I were doing a Rathbun limerick, ‘hypocrisy’ and ‘a lot to hide’ would be a common theme for the first 200 or 300 stanzas. He didn’t just waste money that was entrusted to him, abuse staff that was entrusted to him, make wrong legal moves against orders on cases that were entrusted to him, and on and on.
Decades of MUs. I wonder if Rathbun studied for decades or if the weight of his early misunderstood words collapsed him and his abilities so much that he hasn’t been able to open a book since forever.
Spot on Vince.
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Once again you have shown that EVERYTHING anyone needs to understand about Marty is covered in “The Criminal Mind” wherein LRH shows clearly how the criminal just sees others as he sees himself, and accuses others of doing what he himself is doing.
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I was unfortunate enough to work under Marty for many years in the Sea Org. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in the SO, despite many all nighters and despite huge pressure to get urgent matters dealt with. The only thing that spoiled it was the arbitrary violent ‘justice‘ from both Marty and Mike.
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Heat and pressure are fine. Busting a gut to get something worthwhile done is therapeutic. Having and following a basic purpose, overcoming whatever obstacles, is what living is all about – and our staff are more alive than any group out here.
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What is not acceptable is those people who specialize in destroying the willingness of others to work. Willingness is not destroyed by demands for production, by insistence that a job is well done, by having to stay up all night to complete something, or by being meter checked to keep one clear of overts. Willingness is destroyed by intentional acts calculated to dominate and suppress others.
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In “Science of Survival” LRH lays out a perfect description of this in the chapter ‘Method Used by Subject to Handle Others’. He details the three broad categories as ENHANCEMENT (…by example and good reasoning to lift the level of those around them); PUNISHMENT DRIVE (…alarm, threats and general promise of pain unless compliance is given; and NULLIFICATION (…minimize individuals to be more than they and so be able to control them).
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While any exec can get exasperated and go downtone at times (I sure did), the majority of the time execs operate in the top category and strive to do so. Momentary upsets aside, everyone I worked under fell into the top category, and, if for some reason they did momentarily fail, they always tried to put things right after the event.
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Marty was the exception. He routinely operated by nullification, and it was rare moment in time if he ever gave the illusion of not doing so.
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It is ironic that Marty is now out of the SO, whining about ‘bad treatment’ when that was HIS hallmark – his stock in trade.
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I guess there is nothing that squeals louder about abuse than a bully who gets forced out of a group for being a bully.
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I understand Marty perfectly. Everything he accuses others of doing is what he himself is guilty of. His rants give a direct view of his suppressive, tortured soul.
“Good one! Is there any group Marty won’t pretend to be a part of if it will buy him publicity and somehow line his wallet? I’m thinking no!”
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He pretended to be an Scientologist in good standing while holding that knife behind his back. By definition and fact, you are right AJ.
I’ll bet the psyches are even laughing at Mr. Rathbun. He is so transparent now.
This is the topic that has been missing, hasn’t it? We can almost imagine that everything else just looked like a poor deprived individual who was over his head in tragic circumstances and just happened to rip off the group and strangle someone. But really, being a case while on post sums up everything that I have heard about Marty.
Why does Marty have to audit them when he can just zen them correct? He has skills you know? Didn’t you see that video of him spitting on the floor and the other steps of being a bag lady?
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Rathbun is the same old no-change Marty that we saw then back on staff. He’s less obvious now because more are watching him. He was like what you see in the video more often, only he rarely restrained himself.
He has to be surrounded by people who are just “cases” like he is. Otherwise they would see he’s just a walking PC who never got any of his case handled.
I see you knew him better than I did. I was able to avoid getting in his crosshairs, because I worked at it. Rathbun was always ticking and liable to go off, like if you looked directly in his eyes. It must have been hell being his junior. He specialized in enturbulating and stopping the productive personnel, and boosting those who supported his suppression.
Rathbun only knows nullification and domination. Enhancement as an approach is something that isn’t even real to him. His version of enhancement is still invalidation of something (the Church/LRH/Scientology/COB) if you observe what he’s doing lately.
He’s the best example of The Criminal Mind I’ve seen. All of his behavior is consistent with what you find below 2.0 on the Chart of Human Evaluation, so his Dominance and Nullification is entirely predictable.
I just don’t think he was ever really THERE, but dramatizing his case at all times, like he still does.
be glad you missed it and only heard about it. this description is pretty mild compared to the reality of being around rathbun when he had some power.
Not having a conscience is one of the hallmarks of the Sociopath Next Door.
It’s been coming for a long time. Rathbun has been turning more and more to psychology as he continues to stack up failures trying to use some twisted version of “Scientology” on his patients.
Keep an eye out for Marty conducting group therapy sessions with medications as party favors.
The proof is in his alliances with some of the most infamous would-be Scientology destroyers in the world: Bunker, Caberta, Ortega, Berry and so on.
There’s no getting around his Suppressive Acts against “the subject,” and there’s no justification under the sun for them, even though he and his choir spend most of their time trying to come up with justifiers.
Rathbun’s “understanding” of Tech is glib from top to bottom. That’s the kindest thing I could say. If he understood the axioms he quotes he wouldn’t be auditing people on upper level processes when they’re at lower levels.
Just one more place where M Rathbun fiction of being an LRH supporter falls down with a thump. LRH wrote specifically about persons who will attempt to twist the actions that he set up. If you are a Rathbun acolyte you might say that sure, and we accuse the current leadership of the Church to be who LRH was talking about.
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But that is ludicrous on its face in just the one sentence that you mention TRex. Doing Bridge actions out of sequence as Rathbun does is throwing the person off the Bridge. There is no distortion field so great that can disguise that obvious fact. Rathbun throws people off the Bridge.
Very amusing that the choir were also nattering against the independents before Rathbun tried to suck the energy from that group of can’t doers. Rathbun has dragged the swamp for his failed vendetta.
Are you saying that just because he used to kick people and tried to kill his buddy by strangulation? Or perhaps the Wrath he puts into Rathbun?
“He has to be surrounded by people who are just “cases” like he is. Otherwise they would see he’s just a walking PC who never got any of his case handled.”
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That is very interesting. That is exactly the condition he thinks he is in I guess. He thinks he is surrounded by people moldier than he is which gives him the ability to display his overts online every time he writes.
I’ll bet Marty can’t be entrusted with feeding the cat either!
It’s staggering that this idiot Rathbun thinks that people are going to on the one hand believe he is a fan of LRH while at the same time he promotes psych books – AND attributes LRH discoveries to them.
As far as I am concerned, Marty Rathbun can’t suppress and torture himself enough. Have at it, Marty!
I am CERTAIN Marty is being paid by psychs. He sure isn’t making a living off his “field practice.” Marty doesn’t loaf around in that boat fishing all day because he’s an expert at bringing home the bacon! He’s got some pathetic stipend coming from some psych source or other, even if they are laundered through Ortega, otherwise he wouldn’t even have the shack to call home.
Well, I think Marty’s shortcomings are already quite apparent to his fellow copyright theives. He is now regularly shredded on the net by his so-called allies.
I’m betting Rathbun is getting money from the same Hamburg pharma groups that Ursula Caberta gets her money from. That was the whole point of sucking up to Berry as well.
There must be some rule to relying on a traitor.
But we are supposed to entrust him around a talking fish? No way!
Seems to be pretty clear that he is missing some important element or two, or two thousand, and how they build on each other and rely upon each other.
You are right about that. Rathbun is clearly so self-centered that he will make up stories to prove everyone wrong.
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“Is there any group Marty won’t pretend to be a part of if it will buy him publicity and somehow line his wallet? I’m thinking no!”
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What I meant was that Marty’s problem now comes from his desperation. He just can’t create an effect on anyone but himself. He’s probably kicking himself for not carrying through with stangling Rinder just so he would have actually done something. Years later, nothing on his list is accomplished.
That’s funny. I just made a similar comment uplist. My snarky thought is “Poor Marty.” But my actual thought is that I think about the kindness that he was shown after his psychotic break. I guess he couldn’t accept any of it since he hadn’t come clean back then about the betrayals that he was part of. But still, he makes the effect of kindness appear to be the opposite of what LRH wrote about. Marty is one twisted demo piece.
“… as he continues to stack up failures trying to use some twisted version of “Scientology” on his patients.”
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I keep finding people making similar points to what I mean to say. “Stack up the failures” is the perfect description for Mr. Marty. Through his public life he has failed and stolen and strangled and perpetuated fraud on people who want to improve. What a failure.
Perfect Terri. Good description of the Constant Dramatiser.
Isn’t it nice to think of this in the past though. And the great lessons learned that people don’t get the benefit of the doubt because they can bully people or are able to take the mantle of perceived status.
This is a great point. Rathbun is reiterating his whines about staff not being treated like PC’s and doesn’t see the outpoint. It goes right past his little choir, and people who don’t know any better don’t notice anything wrong with it either.
I don’t think this is being done by intention, though. I think Rathbun really thinks this way. He’s shown himself to be that ignorant. Just another crashing MU that he carried for a few decades, and his head-bobbers are that ignorant, too.
Rathbun got free of any ethics presence when he blew Scientology so he could be the squirrel and ignoramus he really is without anyone to say no to him.
It is interesting to me to watch how far off the track he goes. We can see now that he is really at the level of pop psychology in his thinking, even though he tries to quote more serious psychologists.
This may not be literally true, but it is practically true. There are probably some words he understood in a vacuum.
But it gets clearer all the time that he can’t apply a single corner of KSW, and I frankly don’t think he can simply apply any single piece of the tech without a squirrely twist.
As time goes on, we see his real philosophical bent, which is middle-class-PTS-obeisance to (unworkable) pop psych ideas.
That’s Rathbun all over – quote the axioms, then try to turn them against the Church, Scientology, and LRH, and nominate himself as the new arbiter of what’s right and what’s wrong.
“But it gets clearer all the time that he can’t apply a single corner of KSW, and I frankly don’t think he can simply apply any single piece of the tech without a squirrely twist.”
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Gee Sharpe. There is so much evidence to what you say that to bet against you, I would also have to write you up for attempted theft.
“As time goes on, we see his real philosophical bent, which is middle-class-PTS-obeisance to (unworkable) pop psych ideas.”
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Notwithstanding my attempt at a joke up above there Sharpe, I like both your points. But I really like this one. Marty’s only technique now is to sucker people in by ‘proving’ that there is no responsibility for one’s actions, the perfect pop con.
We can call Marty Mark by this new name: Constance Drama. I’d like to work “Blame” in there somewhere since he is always blaming someone for something that he assuredly did and is probably still doing.
I imagine that Marty’s life is complete inner torture as we witnessed in that great video of him mumbling and drooling in the marble-floored public building. If he has any ‘self’ left, he is chewing it over and over for all his failures.
I tried to use Marty in clay demo and neither my twin nor the sup knew who he was. I felt so tainted. I just realized that I’ll never be able to spit on a marble floor again and blame it on Marty.
Well, like, yeah! You can depend on a traitor, especially one like the Wraith. As he disappears into the void of history and failures he can be depended upon to lie more, to blame more, to take less responsibility for his actions. That, my friend, you can depend upon, and Marty is just that traitor who will give all that and more.
Ethics: The Tenth Dynamic. Marty must think it is great to be free of any such presence. Except, of course, he can’t, he won’t, he hasn’t, he is sorry already, the ultimate baglady actions in public…I wonder how decrepit he is when he is alone with his non-ethics presence.
I don’t know Sharpe. Those great discussions. Nurture or Nature, is he an idiot or just stupid? I think it depends on which of his anti-social activities he is trying to hide and justify at the same time. He is that stupid and that ignorant. Simultaneously.
You mention Marty complaining that staff aren’t being treated like PCs. What you really see in Rathbun is a phony “ARC” that he uses on people, and that is what he likes to use in his PR moves and even in session.
One big thing that Rathbun the technical know best never figured out is that the idea isn’t to make a PC think well of the auditor, which is really all Marty does in session. The idea is to put the PCs attention on his case and be willing to communicate to the auditor.
Even Marty’s tech delivery is just more slimy self-PR, which is why I couldn’t stay around him. There are others who will audit you without trying to impress you with themselves, or reach in and try to find your motivators and just indicate to you that they’re true. That’s the other thing he did.
Once again Rathbun reveals his cluelessness.
The outpoints almost can’t be counted. Rathbun whines about F/N’s (did you ever hear a withholds case who didn’t?) but audits lower level PC’s on NOTS processes.
Did Rathbun ever actually exhibit ARC with other staff when HE was on staff?
Methinks not from all I’ve heard from those who worked with him.
Rathbun is an SP who treated staff as badly as anyone in history, who is now espousing that staff should be treated like pc’s.
Go figure.
Every time I think this guy has explored every possible lunatic view of Scientology, he manages to surprise me.
I think Rathbun ran out of things to complain about and try to raise himself up to make more money, but he’s just re-cycling his stupid ideas.
It seems Rathbun’s entire operation is just one dramatization of his case after another. That’s all he does as far as I can see.
Look at his email address – “howdoesitfeel” and his every creepy communication. No matter how “objective” he tries to sound, he’s a walking, talking reactive mind. He only gets agreement and support from others that are like him.
Rathbun is trying to manipulate the views of those who don’t know that they are. He thinks he’s found a way to communicate to those who don’t know anything about Scientology and interpret it for them in such a way that they’ll never go near it. That’s what his game plan is if you ask me. He just wants to keep people from getting any better, and just stay where they are.
There’s a simple, standard SP operation for you.
“As time goes on, we see his real philosophical bent, which is middle-class-PTS-obeisance to (unworkable) pop psych ideas.”
That is the truth, and we can see he never really grokked any actual Scientology, he just learned to talk the talk. He’s nowhere, plain and simple.
Plus, he wants people to just be happy to be in the personal oblivion that pop psychology is all about. He’s got a real purpose there.
It’s just another effort to water down Scientology, and invalidate LRH. Even if Rathbun tried to do otherwise, he couldn’t. He can call COB names all he wants, but Rathbun is such a dramatizing SP, he can’t help but be transparent in it.
“It is ironic that Marty is now out of the SO, whining about ‘bad treatment’ when that was HIS hallmark – his stock in trade.”
This has always struck me as a “born-again” type who won’t admit what he did that was so bad in the first place. Rathbun is constantly being taken to the woodshed by other bad guys for never fessing up to the atrocious behavior he engaged in. Now he’s out there nattering about it, and trying to shift blame, but it’s not happening since he left.
So, he commits abuses then profits from complaining about them trying to assign them to someone else. What a piece of work.
Vince, you said: “Can it be any wonder that he objects so strongly to security checks that uncover what a person is hiding from his group and others? Rathbun spent a couple of decades hiding the fact that he didn’t understand Scientology basics, and can only try to compare Scientology principles to Psychology texts and principles…”
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Right there you have the continuous withhold that Rathbun hid for 20 some years, that people were constantly failing to find out about. If you read what some of his blog-puppies write, they seem to be in the same boat. They know enough to be dangerous, but never enough to raise their own personal responsibility level.
Some of the “OT’s” like Logan, Hall, Domingo, etc. never raised their responsibility level as far as I raised mine after my first Communication Course. I don’t care how many “certs” they gathered or how many years they spent in the Church pretending they were moving up or “contributing”.
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RAthbun criticizes every pillar of Scn because that is his game. he and his whole crowd are interested in only one thing, despite the flimsy front they put up, and that is bringing Scientology down. he has no constructive goals, only destructive ones, and if it looks constructive, you know it’s only false pr to try to gain support or sympathy.
use your tech and look at the personalities around him, and don’t doubt what you see when you see all these “indies” hanging around with bunker or tori, for starters.
Rathbun has no standing whatsoever to ever criticize the treatment of staff. He was a proven, established horror to work around, and he was finally able to hide it no more. There are hundreds of people still waiting for his apologies. Instead, he whitewashes himself and Rinder and tries to blame someone else or call it a “culture.” Sounds to me like the nazi defense at nuremberg, and that never worked either.
He has no interest in helping PCs. He just wants to be thought a good guy. So he validates people for blowing the Church, tells them they already made it, and everything else was inval. So he’s got a lot of wrong people around him convinced by him they were right.
All the asserted rightness in the world isn’t going to set anyone free.
I think he always had it in mind to become “source,” and just wanted to learn enough to pull off that scam.
Rathbun only gets away with that because he produces such claptrap for an audience that can’t (or won’t) see the outpoints. That’s one thing with the completely uninformed even though it’s suppressive and cynical. It’s another thing altogether to be putting it out for those who have been exposed to the truth and should know better and see what he’s doing for what it is.
You can’t get more complete than Marty: Complete lack of culture, class, integrity, style.
Nope, it’ll just make them a sticky gooey mess. A mass of sticky gooey. Interesting that you think that Marty just wants to be liked. I had never thought of that.
“…and we can see he never really grokked any actual Scientology, he just learned to talk the talk. He’s nowhere, plain and simple.”
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I suppose that as Marty was committing all those personal fouls that he admitted to, he was pushing himself away at the time that he should have been trying all the harder to get strait and get it right. Now he has to spend all his time being so clever with his excuses and blame. No wonder he never produces anything!
We’re going to have to make these two categories distinct.
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You think that Marty has some clever in him and the ability to plan his panic attempts at life.
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I think he fumbles from one desperate screw up to the next, always getting closer to mud and pretending he likes the taste of it.
The Marty puppets see this as well. They wouldn’t support him if they also didn’t smell his eventual fail. They can’t stand anyone by themselves being the chief excuse creator.
One thing that Marty knows well is how to pick the scab of a mistake. Everyone makes them, but instead of learning what one didn’t know and drill well enough, the Marty puppets like to make up excuses and blame. They realize that sometimes this scent in the water is enough to pick up someone else who wants to be comfortable among the blamers instead of the doers.
Brilliant. The Marty Outpoints approach infinity! He just keeps falling into the trap of his incapabilities: make another mistake or blame the last one on someone else? What a constant dilemma for him.
Interesting idea there Modesto – Is Marty trying to prove LRH wrong by proving that the Wraith of Rathbun is not basically good? In the end, Marty will fail at this like he fails at everything.
Talking about the desperate sucking up to the desperate! Berry is so buried in failure that he needs the Cow to make his reappearance palatable. Eckkk.
“So, he commits abuses then profits from complaining about them trying to assign them to someone else. What a piece of work.”
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What a piece of work, indeed. Although I would argue with the concept that Marty is ‘profitting’ from what he is doing. The dial on his desperation meter is past 11 now and he is showing it in sillier and sillier ways for ever less important stunts.
I suspect that he is reading Wikipedia versions and quotable quote websites. His style never gets further than a college students trying to impress the teacher.
Wow Tried It. That has to be depressing to be across from someone in an auditing situation who is trying to impress you. But it is typical of how Marty writes as well. Constant make right/make wrong. He just can’t help it. Did you finally explode with laughter – at a certain point, I think I would not be able to stay polite when he is doing his emotional masturbation.
I feel your pain. He just proves the one point; there is one right choice to make improvement for oneself or another, but there are a million ways to go wrong. Marty is the million ways.
I think you have hit the very simplicity of it PeterG.
howdoesitfeel? Feels like a Marty-scam. Perfect for Marty to get everyone listing in confusion.
“Even a second-year Psychology major would throw Rathbun’s opinions in the trash bin realizing that he is only reiterating parts of a few texts he’s read and rehashing useless hearsay from those who have never gotten or given real gain despite their solemn academic rhetoric.”
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But the first year equivalents are just the ones to jump up and down when they read the Rathbun Scams.
“…and that is bringing Scientology down. he has no constructive goals, only destructive ones, and if it looks constructive, you know it’s only false pr to try to gain support or sympathy.”
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All of them have been enemies for so long, it is only to others of the same ilk that would be attracted to Rathbun. Your examples out and in are excellent but each of them is the same.
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Love it. What a phrase.
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And as far as any of them getting the gains that you got from a comm course, another solid point. Otherwise they would able to step back a step or two, key out for long enough to take responsibility for their actions and anger and get straight. After that, they don’t have to be Scientologists if they don’t want to, but they certainly wouldn’t pretend to be revisionist angels of LRH, while doing 100% opposite of everything he spoke of.
What an effect to try to create just out of spite and the failure to come clean and stay clean. Poor Rath and the RathBunnies. Stuck in slime of his own making by lists he traps himself with.
“He only gets agreement and support from others that are like him.”
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Do you think that they are capable of doing anything more than coincidentally doing what Rathbuun is doing: Making wrong the people who figured out their lies, their distortions, the habits of their hate?
Ha! Well spotted PeterG! It did seem like his ideas were getting ever weaker as his reach gets completely interiorized.
“he never really grokked any actual Scientology, he just learned to talk the talk. He’s nowhere, plain and simple.”
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This is a great word! Thank you for using it and getting me to look it up. It is perfect for describing the opposite of the ‘only one’ mentality of the Rathbun crowd. It also might explain the need to coffee shop and constantly criticize the work of LRH since they can never take it as one’s own. To Grok. I love it!
It sounds like you are waiting for the Rock to take Responsibility. In Marty’s case, I predict 10,000 lifetimes, not 10,000 years. (Although some of those lives will be worm-like short.)
“…but he’s just re-cycling his stupid ideas.”
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The stupidest idea has control over him: i.e., “I must be right, you must be wrong.” It makes Marty a slave.
“…slime of his own making by lists he traps himself with.”
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You are saying a thought that I was working on too. He is classically out-list on everything. I bet he breathes and thinks it is someone pushing the idea of breathing on him. I have seen people like that in my experience. You can barely say anything without getting an angry response.
It’s from Heinlein – Stranger in a Strange Land. Required reading.
“I bet he breathes and thinks it is someone pushing the idea of breathing on him.”
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It must be a horror to always be out list like Marty is and not have the talent, or be clean enough, to clear it up.
That is exactly what the Rathbunettes are like, at the best of times. They have no understanding of big pictures and spin on the smallest of proofs when they think they’ve found something that will prove them right.
Well, let’s face it. Everyone should understand that most of the Rathbun dogs are virulently anti-LRH regardless of how they want to pretend to be modern Martin Luthers.
SIASL is a good suggestion. If I had time for reading, then reading a bunch of old classics that I probably barely understood back in the day would be a nice re-entry into books. It seems to be only science journals these days.
It sure seems that way, doesn’t it. He is really “ON”. Full bore excuse mode, full bore blame mode, full bore no-responsibility for his constant failure mode, full bore associated with complete and utter anti-social people, who are also pretty extreme on the blame and no completed action modes.
That is an interesting viewpoint. I would have key’d on his need to be right and prove COB and most any on-Source Scientologist wrong. It would be amusing to list Marty on that.
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Marty, would you please do this for us? List yourself on:
I just want to be right?
I just want to prove others wrong?
I want to be liked?
I am a complete fool and desperate failing human?
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If your meter isn't completely corroded, even you should be able to read a great overwhelmed dramatizing traitor like yourself. Send us a note.
What I meant was that Marty’s problem now comes from his desperation.”
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You noticed that too? You can trace the spiral of his attempts, to international conn men and women of the press and BigPharma, then the New York Mags, then the New York porn rags, and now it is just a shack in Texas. He’ll get the attention he deserves there since he didn’t pay the taxes or even file the proper business forms and someone local will notice that for the reward. Then Marty’s reach will be behind bars again.
Humor. I love it in the morning. Thanks. Yet again, Marty’s incompetence is spelled out in slang. Clueness? Clueless.
I don’t know, but I bet that he is a good con who knew how to please someone just before stepping on them.
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“It’s just another effort to water down Scientology, and invalidate LRH. Even if Rathbun tried to do otherwise, he couldn’t.”
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What a superbly gathered set of ideas. What an accomplishment to be completely unable to have a real accomplishment.
“make another mistake or blame the last one on someone else? What a constant dilemma for him.”
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If I am not mistaken, Marty does both. Plus he will try to make some philosophy explosion that disguises his next screw up.
But MartyMok makes such a great example of a complete fool. Nothing is missing. The resume as a hidden knife wielding exec, ruining people and projects in his wake, the failed attempts to live as a wage earning productive person, then 40 steps of foolish public dwindling.
I tell ya, sticky gooey mess. You’re right. The MartyMeter will be a sticky gooey mess, and he will be a sticky gooey mess. He will try his damnedest to prevent you from finding out his sticky gooey mess of overts and withholds, when all you want to find out is if he is an idiot or a fool.
Marty Mark Rathbun behind bars again. Not the drinking establishment type – jeez, remember his wedding and bar event with a minister from a Texas Church that doesn’t exist that ended up with Marty harassing some kids on a basketball court before pissing off some cops. And not some drunk tank bars where he makes up some make right about preaching to his choir there.
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No, I’m thinking penitentiary bars for the fraud.
“Philosophy Explosion”? Is that what you call it? That reminds me of looking up words when I was a kid and being fascinated by the word ‘fart’. I’ll never forget the definition: An explosion between the legs. Now I have the correct image of Marty Rathbun using philosophy.
Be careful. I have looked in the archives. Mr. (or is is Ms.) Sharpe is most often the sharpest knife in the drawer.
When you list the failures of Marty, do you include his associations with LRH-hating people as one item or a separate failure for each? Because everything I read indicates that they were all LRH-haters before the latest scam attempt.
Idiot or Fool. I prefer to think of Marty as a Conniving Bastard, someone who has gotten himself in such a tarball of messes that he is exposed for what he is: A Dilettante in a Panic bouncing from one and more complex bad solution to the other, surrounded by other connivers in even worse messes.
I read back to this time of Marty’s incarceration for being a public drunk on the streets of New Orleans and the dismal approach he took to justify it. In a sense, as a designer, I appreciate how he is always crafting the same BS with the same technique: mis-measure something to hide, completely over-compensate by using a completely incongruous analogy or stealing something from another philosophy, then writing for the lowest common denominator so that his lowest level sycophant will be blinded by his brilliance.
Man is basically good. Marty does bad things. Marty must prove LRH wrong. Marty is incompetent at noticing things and ideas through this filter. Marty looks at his future and sees good. I see videos of Marty and realize what I am seeing. Someone with an Il Duce complex.
Constance Blame Drama?
Clown. Clueless Clown.
Well, The Rat obviously can’t see that, but then he doesn’t really see much without the distortion of his own overts and misunderstoods distorting his vision.
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I thought it was great that the appeals court on the Hedley dismissal could see it though. Despite all allegations made by them and The Rat, the judges said pretty much exactly what you said when they resoundingly swatted back the appeal.
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Loved it!
Well, Scott, I think his underlying trick is to try and persuade his followers that “we are all one”, and so in the end it won’t matter what suppressive acts they commit in this life as they will all coalesce into and become one with god – who, after all, will forgive everyone.
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Remember what he said to the fish when he was talking with them.
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The Rat does not understand that he is a unique thetan. That crashing misunderstood underlies all his long term overts against LRH and Scientology and is what allows him to think he can sponge off Scientology without risk. He doesn’t believe he will ever be really held to account.
Nailed it Scott. He should have gotten honest and straight and didn’t, and so now he has to invent stuff to justify his inability to maintain any kind of integrity at all. The guy is a sponge.
I read that and loved it. Heinlein talked about LRH in most of his books – he had a genuine and deep respect for him.
. . . closer to the mud and loves the taste of it . . . Perfect description. And perfect ser fac he has running on himself. I am eating mud because I like it.
True. They know he will fail and they are counting on him taking them out with him. And if he doesn’t fail soon enough by his own doing, you can count on the fact that his “friends” will make sure he does. He has a none way ticket to nowhere.
He does know how an auditor treats a PC. He used to beat up, invalidate, mis-audit and introvert all of his didn’t he. He was an ‘auditor’ wasn’t he?
Lining his wallet is the operative principle. He will do anything or say anything as long as it makes him money. Doesn’t matter where that takes him . . .
“…use your tech and look at the personalities around him, and don’t doubt what you see when you see all these “indies” hanging around with bunker or tori, for starters.”
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Is there an emoticon for one of those shakes you get when you go, “Ugh”?
Do I have to look up how long a worm lives now?
“It’s staggering that this idiot Rathbun thinks that people are going to, on the one hand, believe he is a fan of LRH while, at the same time, he promotes psych books – AND attributes LRH discoveries to them.”
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Staggering, but there are a few people out there who are floating in in their own cesspool of non-confront. They always seem to be the same people looking for the con.
” So he’s got a lot of wrong people around him convinced by him they were right.”
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You know that you are out-list when you are validated by Martay.
“Great point that he never understood word one about Scientology.”
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That’s funny 600kelvin. Even as he shows himself trying to do Black Dianetics he is a failure. Martay just rocks in the misunderstandings department.
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