Once upon a time, a science fiction author invented his own religion. Inspired by his studies in Eastern spirituality, engineering and nuclear physics, L. Ron Hubbard’s controversial theories on psychology, reincarnation, extraterrestrials and the mental blocks holding most people from achieving greatness quickly spread, and the Church of Scientology grew to become the only major new religion established in the 20th century.
It’s still growing. On Saturday, the church opened its latest mega-center – or “Ideal Organization” – at the corner of Wabasha and Exchange streets in downtown St. Paul, adjacent to the Fitzgerald Theater.
The three-level, 82,000-square-foot building occupies the old west building of the Science Museum of Minnesota and encompasses dozens of classrooms, seminar rooms, video rooms, a coffee shop, two saunas, a bookstore and 300-seat IMAX theater, which is now a chapel, conference center and concert hall.
Impressive indeed!
The growth of Scientology is astounding by any measure. The very existence of our new Twin-Cities Church is proof. The fact that it is so huge and so beautiful adds an explanation point.
I understand that the building is a Minnisota landmark in that is is the former museum of science. What a great second life for a physical sciences museum to become the new home for Dianetics, a science of the mind.
A breathe of fresh air after so much digging into the ramblings, ramblers and muck of the madman rathbun.
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Completely contrary to the Do-Nothing/Talk Loud RatMadness, this is a gorgeous center that includes all the facilities that Ratland refuses to acknowledge a need for. Courseroom, Qual, Cinema, Secure auditing spaces, the list goes on. After years of blather, Ratland has nothing.
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I love the blathering crowd comments too, all of which are belied by the very facility that they are cowed into whining about. They act like some imperial force comes and puts such great artistry into effect, but I know from a local effort that it is the native group who does tens of thousands of hours of work to make a facility like this happen – including getting the property, including getting the building fund established and flourishing, including getting the staff up to a brilliant level.
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The future will be fortunate for the efforts of the St. Paul community who valued what they could create.
Good point Traveler. It reminds me to go look up the names and writings of the thinkers of the Enlightenment era who Ron acknowledged and wrote about, and the others who built the first pillars of the bridges that spanned outwards from the mythologies of the past to the science-based thinking of the future that we share today.
It’s a beaut. And might pretty too!
I know what you mean Letstalk. I can’t get over the feeling of joy, thinking of the old buildings and the places we studied in in the past as the Flag base evolved. Then the standard that Flag presented when it hit that sweet spot. You knew you were in a place that was going to be able to deliver services to generations of people, and still be as pleasingly elegant and ‘established’ (if that word communicates what I mean).
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And, one by one, this same type of facility is built. Gorgeous, but importantly, functional. And it isn’t only the delivery buildings, this class of ‘building for function and the ages’ was also there in the book making building that we saw the videos for – remember Rathbun’s jaw-dropped “What is this?” when he visited? The guy couldn’t even comprehend past his shack-nature. And since his continuous dwindling slide, I doubt if he can think past his shack-toilet.
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Natter away pissants. The anti-graffiti technology isn’t even needed for the dust that you spatter.
There is quite a bit of positive media about the grand opening online. The local Fox station has a short tour on video which is worth watching.
Nice. You rehabbed for me the feeling when the land base first opened. Though it was far from what it is today, it was the nicest org I’d seen at the time.
The effect was huge, and we’ve never been the same.
I was completely uninformed about this; thanks for the mass on it. The place looks huge when you see the bodies in comparison to the building.
I could do without some of the cliches in the article, though. But all in all, a good piece.
I want one!
Feel free to post a link…
Do NOT underestimate the datum “the public knows us by our MEST…”
I think that the Firesign Theater wrote: butte. But it is might purdy.
Let’s compare facilities:
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Marty has the shack:
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The new TC idea org has:
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The losers don’t realize that they can get BS broadcast on the BS frequency and get a few extra points from the BS crew. But the tide has turned. There is no going back on the applied religious philosophy of Scientology. There is a lot of respect been built and continues to be building for the Church of Scientology.
…and that’s just one Org, although I understand he’s upgraded the shack since your pic.
As I recall, LRH was very big on upgrading it, too.
Rathbun was aware of that. That’s why he was so proud when he upgraded his old shack to the new one, er casa blanca.
He caught a lot of heat at how degraded the old one was.
82,000 square-foot is nothing at which to laugh!
“…although I understand he’s upgraded the shack since your pic.”
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Yes, to be fair he has a small facility (not like the photo) which is about 1% of the delivery space of the new TC ideal org.
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If you add in another 10 ideal orgs in the US Marty’s delivery space is about 0.0012 % of that delivery space. Pretty minuscule. At the rate he’s going it will take him more than a lifetime just to have as much space as one ideal org.
I love this video and this post. While a handful of SPs spit and moan, the Church continues to Flourish and Prosper and expand. Sure there is still a ton of work to do, but it is getting done, conditions are changing and we are winning. It is great.
He can’t think past his shack. That is the universe to him. That is where God lives, or so he believes. He knows that its a fail that he lives there, but he will not move unless forced to do so, because he has to be right. It is right that he live in a shack. To have decent premises means that you are in bed with the devil, because only evil people are successful.
Great comment there Christine. This org is everything that Marty and his shack are not.
His new shack is an upgrade on the previous one, which is an upgrade on the one before that. It is not the fact that it is a shack that is the problem – it is the fact that it is used to “deliver” Scientology, and yet has no qual, no HCO, no examiner, no C/S, no cram off etc etc. There are not even any lines to those functions – i.e. he can’t even send a folder to someone else to get it C/Sed.
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His shack is a squirrel nest. The new org embodies LRH’s vision and his Policy, and delivers standard technology.
He might eventually get some space – what he will never do is get real products. And that, at the end of the day, is what really counts.
I love this new org!! Fully functional, fully manned, and really aesthetic. I wish our org had been like that when I was on staff. The staff there have my best wishes for a smooth rocket ride up to St Hill size.
I was lucky enough to have a tour of the Manor just before the IAS event. It has just been completely restored and renovated and it too is stunning. I could go on for ages, but the attention to detail and the work that was done makes it a real Scientology heritage building to be proud of. We got to see the course room in the basement with the old TVs and the meters that were used when the BC was being delivered there, the darkroom, the entire library. It really gives one a sense of how things were and the incredible evolution that has gone on over the years. Scientology is here to stay, and Scientology Orgs will become more and more standard until all of them are perfect. These are exciting times – if you are a Scientologist and not an SP that is.
Ol’ Marxist Marty doesn’t want it to look too much like he’s one of the 1%
Someone posted a comment about how Flag changed the face of Scientology forever, and that reminded me of how thrilled I was the first time I went there almost 32 years ago. The size of the base, the buzz of the people, the numbers of staff and public, the crowded courserooms – it was all incredible.
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I was there again about 3 years ago after having not seen it for years, and it has simply continued to expand and expand. The stream of buses and coaches ferrying people around, the restaurants, the additional buildings, the Oak Cove – it just never seems to stop.
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Last time I was there they had again bought new buildings and the place was buzzing. The FH had been fully refurbished and despite all the additional space, I still had to be early to get a seat in the courseroom.
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I have no idea what picture Marty is looking at when he writes about Flag and the Ideal Orgs, but he needs to take a look at the real world. It is beautiful!
You’ll notice that he didn’t pick a simple office space in the UK. He set up Saint Hill. That’s a pretty damn clear statement of where he stood.
“this is a gorgeous center that includes all the facilities that Ratland refuses to acknowledge a need for. Courseroom, Qual, Cinema, Secure auditing spaces, the list goes on.”
Yes – and it reminds me how many times in early years we wished we had just one more auditing room, or a space to do TRs in, or objectives. How many times did I go into a room and had to re-arrange things for my PC, but glad to have the space.
“…I have no idea what picture Marty is looking at when he writes about Flag and the Ideal Orgs, but he needs to take a look at the real world. It is beautiful!…”
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Rathbun is hopelessly out of touch. (Remember “What is this place?”)
He doesn’t know how high the traffic is now that he and Rinder and their SP cadre like Hall, Hawkins, Koon, DeV, etc., are off the lines.
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They think they are still there, holding things down.
I haven’t checked the whining lately. Squirrels and Sp’s whine like crazy at any new expansion.
rathbun and the other sp’s are going to have to smoke quite a bit of bud to calm down after seeing this video.
A great point, and possibly even truer today than the day it was written.
If anything, our societies have sunk lower into MESThood. That is after all the aim of people like Rathbun and psychs (and various political/social philosophies.)
Tons of work may be left to do, but it is a good time to celebrate the ton of work that went into the facility by thousands of people. While our usual mode is to mock the constant lies and incompetence of Marty The Rat Rathbun, it is so great to see the joy of things as well. That facility will be still be helping thousands of people weekly decades from now.
You’re right, Rathbun doesn’t get products. He only gets the apparency of products. It’s his only skill – making himself look like he’s doing something, when in fact all he ever works on is destruction.
“I can’t get over the feeling of joy, thinking of the old buildings and the places we studied in in the past as the Flag base evolved.”
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I was in London in the late 70′s and when I think back to how that old org was then, and look at what they have now, I too am delighted. Flag was put there by sheer determination to put it there, and the new London Org was also put there by sheer determination. And what a difference they have made to the way Scientology is perceived and delivered.
He could envision Ideal Scenes, and would settle for nothing less.
The amazing thing is how simple it is to show the lie in everything (not most things, not a lot of things, but everything) that Rathbun says. He’s quite unbelievable, but seeing Flag and seeing buildings like this and knowing all the local public effort that it takes to get a place like this built…no wonder the wackos go batty.
There are rumours about that a lot of building work is going to be done at the Hill. I don’t know what yet, but I am sure it will be impressive no matter what is done.
Exactly right Betty. He always seems to be confused about the difference between actually doing something and his SuperMartyPR that he is so proud of.
Ouch.
OK folks. fun’s over. Back in the bus.
Well, he IS the master if his own destiny, so while god may not live there, cause for rathbun’s life does live there.
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Of course he does not want nice mest – he has inverted on the dynamics and on life.
Facts is facts Sig and you have really hit the points of several of them. I think it is high time that he just be hit with a bunch of Fraud charges since he isn’t doing anything of what he says he is, but enticing with lies.
Come to St Hill and check out the library in the manor. There you will find all their books, all read by LRH.
You have hit it right – his elixir is fulfilling his compulsion to be right and his downfall is fulfilling his compulsion to be right…and to prove the management who kicked his ass out were wrong. Meanwhile, we pay attention to the 80 or 90+ percent who can be, do and have success in finding and fulfilling their goals in life. Sorry to the Marty-suckers, but whoa, I’d rather make society better before dealing with flat-out idiots and I’m sure most people in the world understand that.
I wish so, too. It would have made a world of difference.
I had rooms that had to have heaters, coolers, etc., brought in just to make it not a distraction to the PC.
I’ve been audited in a few new spaces and it’s like heaven compared.
“He might eventually get some space – what he will never do is get real products. And that, at the end of the day, is what really counts.”
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Right, when we talk of products that’s an entirely different discussion. He gets, by definition, overt products. These will act only to constrict the amount of space he has.
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He’ll probably end up with nothing more than an uncerted meter locked in a closet – an outcome which will be much less of an overt than what he is doing now.
Ain’t that the truth!
He’s yet to get a real product that I know of. His “products” int the SO turned out to be conflicts, screw ups, and stops.
Since then, his “PC” products all seem to be raving about having their natter validated, and come out hating the church and COB.
I saw a checklist for an Ideal Org qual one time, and I think they have most of the books, if not all, in the new orgs. So just check out your local ideal org.
Saw it, love to see that stuff.
The IAS event was full of things like that, and even better.
“A breathe of fresh air after so much digging into the ramblings, ramblers and muck of the madman rathbun.”
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Ain’t that the truth. I am on course each day and so I have a constant reminder of what Scientology is actually all about, and the wins to go with that. These people that have thrown that all away and just live on Marty’s blog must have the weirdest and most distorted view of life imaginable.
True story – there were a few times when we had to use one of the bathrooms on the stairs as an auditing room as we had run out of space, and often students on HQS would have to do their co-audits on the roof.
Bingo, and thank you.
Now Rathbun has another generality-ridden movement to blend in with.
Agreed. I’ll second that. It was nothing short of spectacular.
I think you meant exclamation point. But you’re right. Each new one does, and has to feel like a dagger to Marty.
That is a good datum – the public knows us by our MEST. Another good one, and the way I feel about Flag, is the quote from the end of the Ideal Org’s PL where he says, “One could look at this ideal org and know that this was the place a new civilization was being established for this planet.”
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I also get the same sense of that every time I walk into the London org.
Nice video, but I’d like to see more of the interior details, etc. Maybe the exterior, too.
I’m sure this isn’t the final video.
Old Marxist Marty has NO CHANCE of that at all.
You referring to the anons he is supporting in their Wall St thing?
It’s not much of a skill that. And it only works on the faithful of his flock – most people see straight through it.
Exciting indeed. This all makes me want to take a tour of all the Ideal Orgs. I’m half serious about that. It would be a real project. I’ve heard of people visiting each one of the Baseball parks or stadiums and seeing a game, and it takes years. Now there are how many Ideal Orgs?
“That facility will be still be helping thousands of people weekly decades from now.”
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Yes it will – and that is something that drives SPs wild. That is why Marty rants and raves about the Ideal Orgs so much.
I’m planning a trip over there next spring, just to see everything. I’ve never been there.
They have my best wishes too. To me staff members are a real cut above the rest of the people in society, and I salute their dedication and purpose.
I love this, thanks for posting it. It’s great to see the other side of things here every once in a while.
Good point. I also think about how he patiently worked for many years advancing org by org, building by building in Los Angeles until he could establish the CC. What a space. You can just imagine him in the 60′s coming up with the ideal scene and describing that, then working out all the steps to get it done.
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And that is the stark difference…even in all those years LRH never said, “Hey, give me a break – I’m bare-assed in the woods.” He got students studying and Qual qual’ing and the 100 other things that it took. Rathbun’s such a lying fool and walking compulsion, I wonder if he can even see the difference.
I’m on course every other day, and absolutely love the new courserooms and all the backup and facilities we now have. It was always fun being on course, but now it’s perfect.
Forgot to say – one of the highlights for me was the old roll call book with all the student’s names written in by LRH. The attention to detail is incredible, and the flow of power to LRH is awesome.
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Marty the Rat claims to be pro-LRH. By his actions he disrespects LRH every day of his life. COB on the other hand genuinely and demonstrably has complete respect for LRH.
I was thrilled to see the new Inglewood Org, I hope you all saw it too.
It is beautiful, and the spirit in the Org is something you have never seen before.
You can expect great things out of Inglewood.
We’ve been waiting thousands of years for this…
I will be across in the UK around Xmas time to see family, and hope to get a tour. Do you just show up and ask for one or is there some line that needs to be used to get in, or appointment booked?
That BS is just another form of whining. It’s only going to sound higher and higher, which is the SP’s squealing really.
That is a good point. Stats don’t just go down, they are held down. I can be bit of a skeptic and I have to admit that I hunted out and found the actual stats of my local org to see for myself how it was doing. and I am happy to say it was doing great and that the stats over the past 3 years are in affluence for most areas. Get the SPs off the lines and things just improve naturally and without effort.
I am sure it will be featured in the Int Scn News magazine, or that there is a full video on the main church sites.
Most of them have been offlines for ages, or never were on lines.
Serious determination. And I guess you are right on the other point. I never cared about the building, whether it was where I was getting services or when I was helping deliver them. I got hooked on reading things in the Tech Dictionary and nothing mattered but the knowledge. But I know some friends and family for whom that kind of thing is critical. Glad to know that there is a place (or many places) for both.
You are not far off, thinking he thinks of himself as a god. Listen or observe him on any subject, and he considers himself source of all.
In truth, he is source of all that ails him, only.
Good viewpoint. I say bring on the whining. It’s a good indicator.
Go to Scientology.org, I’m sure it will be there shortly, if not already.
Compare an LRH ideal scene for orgs, with a Marty the Rat ideal scene.
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We know what LRH envisioned because he wrote an issue about it entitled “The Ideal Org” and because some dedicated people have been creating Ideal Orgs exactly as described by LRH.
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So what is the Rat’s ideal scene for an org. I’ll tell you, because he told me. It is a desolate pile of rubble. He wants the orgs torn down and totally destroyed. No staff, no meters, no packs, no public, no building, no future.
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He is insane.
I haven’t seen London, but have seen others, and there is a great sense of what LRH says. There is a sense of permanence there that can’t be denied.
I don’t think many of them do calm.
They tend to do depressed and angry, and generally a bum trip.
Gorgeous building. While I was there I was fielding anon creeps. I engaged this guy without a mask. Asked him if he ever read a book. “No” he said, then I went for the “think for yourself” close and by the time I was done with him he shook my hand and wanted to buy a Dianetics book. His point of interest was the “Engram” which he’d never heard of an intrigued him. Wonder how many Dianetics books Marty sells?? What a loser he is.
Point made. Our new Ideal Orgs match our technology. I haven’t seen Marty’s shack but I’m guessing the shack matches the tech.
Not just a bum trip a bum life. But wait . .there’s more, a bum eternity.
The best way to see Marty’s value is through the shadows of lowered awareness, hence the drugs and alcohol use. Marty seems so much smarter after a couple of joints.
For example Columbia. After all of the billions spent by the DEA and all of the lives lost in fighting the drug war in Columbia the answer was TWTH. Think of it, what could not be accomplished by force was accomplished by understanding.
Brilliant brilliant brilliant Rat Tracker! Rathbun loses another one. What’s that – I think about 5.575 billion that he has directly lost and 1.325 that he has no way to reach because of their problems. So, every one that he loses is a real lose to him. He’s got no connection with the competent and good, and the competent and evil won’t want someone so spectacularly banal screwing up their lines. Time for the RathbunWrap-up, the teams have left the field and there is no place for him.
So, for Rathbun at least, the Why is God. Good to know.
Imagine how Capital S Stupid Rathbun must feel every day. “I’m going to bring down the Church because I love LRH too much to fail.” What dung. There isn’t a phrase in that sentence that is true. He is a failure every day, and has been for years. He couldn’t love LRH as he doesn’t have the savvy to have any affinity for anyone but himRathbunself. And, day by day, new Ideal Org by new Ideal Org, new presence on the street and in the course rooms and rehab sites around the world, the Church of Scientology is making the able more able. Rathbun has to wake up to this. Rathbun has to swap spit with mental deviates and other people like CowBerta who want to put a mark on the forehead of each Scientologist to match the form she has created. Rathbun deals with journalists who have flaming hate for LRH, and disgraced lawyers in the same hate boat. Rathbun boils in his own burning oil of hatred, never able to be right/never able to prove COB wrong for kicking his ass out of the Church after he admitted stealing millions and after he deck and strangled the Stockholm Syndrome tranced Rinder. And we progress at a great pace.
I had an extra day in London once and so my husband and I took the train down and a taxi over and spent a few hours. Quite awe-inspiring.
It is such a joy to look at the new building and think of all the cool stuff happening inside and not have to think about …wow, I can’t even think about them…I think it was a them? They’ll be gone soon, if not already, and this Org and a hundred others will be around for decades…if not longer.
Alas. I am sorry to give you the bad news. The whiners are dissembling even as we speak. Hmmm. Wrong word. They are always dissembling. OK, they’re disassembling all by themselves, from internal rot and external, oh, rot as well. Hmmm. Maybe disintegrating is the right word. Damn them, they have me so confused…but the point is, this Wrath will pass, and with him the stink that attracted his few dozen fleas will no longer stick them together.
If only Rathbun had tried a little harder to actually do something instead of churn and chum and hang with fascists and fetishists he might have gotten the Bare-Assed Shack in the video. Alas, he didn’t get any completions, he didn’t get any square footage of library or course room or qual. If he only tried to be more than merely trying.
I have a few grand in my pocket that says that he won’t waste his time keeping up this charade too much longer. He has lost most of the “I’m the real Scientology Pro” glamor since associating with discredited lawyers and fascists in Germany, plain ol’ anti-LRH hate-mongers. That is his only remaining road. All of the rest of his pretend anti-Scientologist/actual LRH haters are the same – I don’t want to remember their names but you know the ones, the child molesters that look like the camera scrum, the debauched auditor and C/Ses, all these fools who got kicked out and can only get noticed by sticking with Rathbun and running the same “Look what they did to me, I’m a poor victim” act.
Ha! Nice One!!!
Very eloquently put! LOL! With 7 billions people on the planet, he only has a tiny handful that he can reach.
Good exercise to figure out what the Rat’s Ideal Scene would be for an org.
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All I have ever seen him do is natter about orgs and promote the idea that one doesn’t need orgs. So I agree with you that his ideal scene is “no org” one way or another.
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If you ever needed proof that he is an SP, there you have it.
Glad the thinking for yourself thing applied before he could get exposed to the lower scale inversion of that Rathbun uses on his choir.
Scott says: “And that is the stark difference…even in all those years LRH never said, “Hey, give me a break – I’m bare-assed in the woods.” He got students studying and Qual qual’ing and the 100 other things that it took. Rathbun’s such a lying fool and walking compulsion, I wonder if he can even see the difference.”
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Great post. I notice that LRH never whined about anything else either, he was just effective. Rathbun is a serial whiner masquerading as a cause point.
Reginald says: “There are rumours about that a lot of building work is going to be done at the Hill.”
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Compare to the entheta rumors coming out of Rathbun’s rumor mill.
That is another basic Scientology principle that our commie Rat never got. Make the able more able. He wants Scientology handed out to the down and outs – once again a complete inversion.
Damn but that is hilarious Christine – because it is so true. The Why really is god. ROFL. Brilliant.
I am the same in that the building and furnishings did not really have any bearing in the subject for me at all. But then again, I had no choice back then, and I don’t know what difference it would have made to me had the org been one of these new ones. One things that is for sure is that I would have happily taken my parents and friends into the org and had them see the panels and find out about Scientology. I was backed off from taking them into my local org as they would not have been impressed.
Well give me a shout before you come and I’ll arrange a grand tour for you of the Manor and the Hill, and also the London orgs and Fitzroy St – plus just a general tour of London which is the greatest city in the world.
Disappearing maybe? Dissolving? Dying?
As the CO Ship says, “if you have psychiatric think, you get psychiatric products.” The Rat has psychiatric thinking, what with his attempts to destroy and his “I have to wreck Scientology to prove how much I adore LRH.”
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I don’t know about hitting him with Fraud charges, but we could hit him with Freud charges.
That whole victim thing is so diametrically opposed to the basic tenets of Scientology, that I am always amazed when I read their wailings about being victims. In my day, one was embarrassed if anything happened that made one look like a victim in any way. It was the last thing anyone wanted to claim to be, or be accused of being. and yet these guys revel in claiming to be victims.
Sig says: “So what is the Rat’s ideal scene for an org. I’ll tell you, because he told me. It is a desolate pile of rubble”
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Rathbun’s not the first, and won’t be the last to hold this view.
This is an old destrucive aim of a lot of the earlier critics, voiced in many ways, including the notion of “salting the earth” afterwards.
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It drives an SP crazy to see Scientology still here, much less expanding.
I think they’re all whined out over Ideal Orgs. the last few just put them in apathy.
Staff, for the most part, are real troopers and heroes and have my utmost respect as well. They selflessly get things done and make a difference to all our lives. Unfortunately they, as with any group, can be infiltrated by the 2.5%ers (not mentioning any names) – which is why one cannot say that ALL staff are heroes. Every now and again there is a rotten apple amongst them, trying to spread its disease to the others.
You can get a tour of the Manor on pretty short notice – check in with reception and take it from there.
SPs don’t see the real universe around them – they see pictures and mock-ups they have put out in front of it so they can avoid looking at reality.
Rathbun is not cause and that is why he whines. LRH always accepted that he was cause, and operated from that position – that is why he was so effective.
There is no comparison – one side is constructive and the other is destructive. One side is positive and the other is negative. One side is survival and the other is death.
Right, thanks. There’s good coverage there:
http://www.scientology.org/david-miscavige/churchopenings/church-of-scientology-twin-cities-minnesota.html?link=bodytitle
The circular stairway is beautiful, a great feature of the architecture.
There have been loads of SPs trying to destroy orgs over the years, but what is unique about the Rat is that he says that he is somehow applying LRH in his effort to undo LRH. It’s that strange perversion that lends an additional element of insanity to the whole thing.
I think the facade is gone. All can see that he is just purely hating.
I love to see this beautiful new Org, right in the middle of America it seems.
I would like to see them prohibited from calling it Scientology, if that is possible. The trademark must be legally defendable.
Another is Rewards and Penalties – the Rat and the Rin want to penalize the upstats and reward the downstats as a means of somehow curing all ills. There are so many basic thing sin Scientology that they never git, that I wonder what they did actually get and genuinely understand.
I am always very impressed that the work of so many people is involved in making it go right to get such a new Ideal Org built and opened. It is a giant effort on the part of many people in work and money and organization.
This tells us much about the future of Scientology and Scientologists.
That is one of the great things about the new orgs. You can take anyone in and know that they will see Scientology accurately represented and will get a brief, but clear, description of many of the basic principles that underlie it.
Stockholm Syndrome traced Rinder – what a perfect description for that poor mutt who still plays second fiddle to the master that abused him.
I spent time in two different original orgs that had been funeral homes prior. They both even had some of the original carpeting, etc.
*Any* kind of space for tech delivery or admin offices was at a premium, and hard-fought for.
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It is a joy to have spaces that reflect our purposes and activities better, and help us get on with the job.
London is cool, but it is not the greatest city in the world. That accolade belongs to New York, followed by Los Angeles, then St Paul, and THEN London.
I think you just invented the taco.
It’s everything they would destroy, given the chance.
He probably wants nice mest for himself, like a pickup with no duct tape on it.
After all, he is a bit more equal than others.
It still stuns me that these clowns can claim that Scientology can be practiced without orgs and without 99% of the functions of the org board. They seem to think that the only thing that is needed is to put someone in front of a meter and that it all then magically happens.
Stunning that he would be sucked into an operation like this without knowing anything about it. Even when I was 14 and never even heard of Scn, I knew more about finding out what I was doing.
But then, this is the prey of those guys. The young idealist (read: susceptible to generalities) who wants to find a target for rebellion.
Yes, I recall there was a lot of vicious intent directed at salting the earth after the destruction of Scn entirely. As in, making sure it could never arise again.
THAT’S where Rathbun really wants to head.
It refers back to the old Roman practice of literally plowing salt into the earth of enemies so hated that they would not be able to grow anything in that earth for long thereafter.
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That’s a one-lifer’s version of ‘how do you kill a thetan.’
“These people that have thrown that all away and just live on Marty’s blog must have the weirdest and most distorted view of life imaginable.”
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There is a woman in the UK who wrote a book promoting the idea that ‘you are what you eat’. Basic concept is that if you eat crap your body will be messed up.
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The squirrels don’t read any LRH any more and instead just read each others and Marty’s natter and bullshit. They are what they read. In other words, their universes are full of the entheta they read and believe.
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They should maybe try the LRH tech called, “The Joy of Creating.” Life IS what you make it.
That was my favorite bit too. Theta is senior to MEST is the message that I got.
The senior basic that Rathbun seems to violate to me, is that he enters alter-is into everything. He goes to great lengths to make it appear he is being factual and specific, but it just can’t hide his obsessive alter-is.
He’s like a one man mass-creation machine.
Nope – it is something within which to laugh!
I was in one also. You could never seem to wipe out the traces of the old funeral home architecture. Thank God they got a whole new org, rather than try to re-build it.
It became a totally different animal, and services and production seemed to expand to fit the new space.
Freud charges – great. That is what he deserves and that is what he will get. I will put money on it that he will end up in psychiatric care, where he will get a different kind of charge – across the temples.
I’m thinking he’s in agreement with the idea that “no one really owns anything anyway.”
St. Hill may be tops on my list. But I’m thinking I’d like to visit all or most of the Ideal Orgs, just as a kind of long-term project. It might be cool to do a study period in each one.
OK, you obviously reached to set that one up, but I still laughed at the payoff.
I don’t think it needs to go down that route. It’s expensive to litigate, and these idiots are just a flash in the pan. No one will ever have any doubt about what Scientology is and what squirreling is.
It is the same with all the Ideal Orgs and also with all of the sector buildings. Each of them communicates a message that things are really changing for the better – emanating from them.
Exactly – he has no chance whatever of ever becoming one of the 1% – even though that is what he secretly covets.
He should look up and clear the definition of “Product.” He has no clue what one is as evidenced by his “production.”
It is good to see the other side of Scientology. I suggest that you put more of this up.
I have been able to disseminate Scientology so easily when I have brought people into the new org. I had the experience of just showing an associate some of the 4th dynamic programs that we are doing which are showing in some of the display panels and the person got so interested in Scientology that he took a course, got all his basic books and lectures and has been studying them since. The videos and displays are chock full of interesting information about the basics of Scientology to the community work that Scientologists engage in. You can also now do courses out of the Scientology Handbook online for free.
I’ve been to the TwinCities many times can tell you that the citizens of both cities are very active and very productive. Even in the sub-zero Winter days, of which there are many, you find the numerous parks packed with skiers, kiters and skaters. In the not to distant future add visits to our Ideal Org to that list of activities.
I love this org. I can’t wait to see public service programs role out in the TwinCities. Imagine the good people of Minnisota getting briefed on the Drug Free campaign. I dare say it will be an explosion of theta.
For just awhile after I watched the video I forgot about Marty and his posse. The I realized that with each new Ideal Org Marty becomes smaller and smaller and more insignificant than ever. It must really hurt when he sees others prosper. Poor baby.
That’s a VWD! Just goes to show how some of these guys are just misguided, don’t know squat, but when approached by a social personality can cog quite quickly. One by one.
Add another dagger to the collection Marty has been aquiring over the years. With all that metal he’ll never be able to to through airport screening.
If there is anyone out there who buys this victum crap it’s only because they donj’t have the data on him. Once people see who he really is and what he has done the gig is up.
Equal? What were you saying Philo? I was stuck on the idea of where duct tape would be best applied to Marty Mark. Sorry for being distracted.
Interesting viewpoint. Probably the same for me. Thinking back, a decade before I got involved I walked into one of the store front buildings being used – the door opened into a corridor’s wall that appeared to go onward but without a welcome. Someone poked their head into the corridor after I stalled out at the entrance but it was too late, the momentum was gone and I walked out. That wouldn’t happen today in a hundred different ways; the layout wouldn’t allow it, the people are trained to not let it happen, and the graphics alone would draw a person in.
Rathbun is such an empty being that I sometimes wonder if he is under Rinder’s spell after all. In the end it is worth paraphrasing Diderot (who was writing about God) since the Rat and the Rin have both proven to be foolish with their compulsions and ineffective with their lives:
“It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley; but not at all so to distinguish between squirrels who only can increase stats when they are gone.”
“I don’t know about hitting him with Fraud charges, but we could hit him with Freud charges.”
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So doctor, I was mucking the stalls for LRH when one of the horses caught my attention. It kinda got involved with me and I kinda think I liked it and then I woke up – it was a dream the whole time just like everything I say about LRH. Didn’t he say that, “Marty – Sometimes a banana is just a banana?”
“…something that drives SPs wild. That is why Marty rants and raves about the Ideal Orgs so much.”
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I am so upset that we are causing the Marty Mark such pain and misery. Are you sure it is us? Perhaps another and another Ideal Org should be created to make certain.
Interesting – I hadn’t thought about it like that before. You are so right!
Great Concept. Start! (It would make a fun website, wouldn’t it? Maps and different connections and fun tips from people who suggest you catch one train or the other. Passport stamps! How about, Completing a Course in each Org?!?!)
“Rathbun is a serial whiner…”
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That is such a perfect analysis. We’ll see that in the Psych’s reference book soon.
Yes, but still interesting that a guy could know so little about Scientology and be pulled in to the protest nut circle. There were reports about that when the new LV Org opened, new “anons” circulating with Scientologists in the crowd and 2WCing and finding out about Scientology and a couple just took their masks off.
When I was in my early twenties, I causatively got involved in a couple of protests that I supported. I’ll admit the attraction of girls was a factor in getting involved, but the issue was the main factor.
Until I found Chairman Mao’s little red book being used by the leaders, and some truly stupid propogandistic “socialist” literature being pushed also.
Give some of these guys a chance to come to their senses.
“Wonder how many Dianetics books Marty sells??”
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None. As we all know he sells entheta.
You guys made me waste an hour last night going back and relistening to Temporarily Humboldt County, one of my old favorites. You’re responsible, not me
Reginald says: “promote the idea that one doesn’t need orgs.”
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This is just one of the prongs of Rathbun’s attacks on orgs and efforts to drive them out of existence.
I won’t mention the others – I don’t want to forward his lines of attack – but most of the things he does are directed at trying to get the orgs closed.
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So you know new openings just drive him nuts, no matter how he might try to minimize them publicly
“You have hit it right – his elixir is fulfilling his compulsion to be right and his downfall is fulfilling his compulsion to be right…and to prove the management who kicked his ass out were wrong.”
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Marty has all the traits of an unhandled drug case.
This is very cool, but I wish these reporters would drop the whole “science fiction writer” thing. It was such a small portion of what he wrote, and not important. But I guess they have to start with a label.
I’d like it a lot better if they started with something like “American Philosopher” LRH, or something like that.
“I engaged this guy without a mask. Asked him if he ever read a book. “No” he said, then I went for the “think for yourself” close and by the time I was done with him he shook my hand and wanted to buy a Dianetics book.”
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This was a really good handling. I have heard of this happening with some other anons. Once they (those that are social personalities) actually find out what Dianetics and Scientology are they realize they are wrong targets for a protest.
One of the great things about these orgs is the public display area. People find out about social programs, like the VMs and thats news to a lot of them. It all only helps.
I like the displays, and what they can do for an area. I’ve seen people who knew nothing really about Scientology and what we do really get blown away when they get the other side of the story. If you count on the press or TV or if you’re stupid enough to believe what you read on the internet, you’ll get only the cracked reports of critics and haters.
You’ll notice a lot of international reports doing just what you say. It’s mostly US/UK (and of course the German/French SP press) that goes for the old science fiction slant.
More and more he’s being acknowledged as a philosopher first, and the founder of Dn and Scn.
Maybe the guy will help audit out some of the 3D engrams Rat and Rin are trying to lay in.
marty only loves himself. i say this after long observation. everything is about marty, not rinder or the others or even his wife. even when he does something that looks social or positive, it’s about him.
and himself.
same thing i guess.
but he will try to 3p as many as he can over the net before they can find out the real story of Scientology. it’s his only hope. once people find out what we really do, only the sp’s and pts’es hang on to the entheta.
totally right. that’s the focus of all he does, even though he might distract people with different looking issues. he wants the church and all churches brought down. that’s the big “win” that he wants.
Yes, I went to the new land base with another staff member from our outer org. We felt like a couple of country bumpkins visiting the big city for the first time.
There’s got to be a lot of that same feeling when people step into a new Ideal Org.
My bet is that these kind of people probably make up a large portion of any ‘protest,’ etc. They’ll drift off over a new target.
I’ve seen some of them say things like ‘why are you guys so fixated on Scientology’ and prefer to go after other targets.
It affirms our unkillability, which just works counter to all their destructive efforts.
Notice that you are seeing a rise in criticism of Scientology concomitant with Ideal Org expansion in recent years.
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It’s gotta hurt.
Ouch, but lol.
Rathbun’s come a long way since the duct tape. Now he has a nice bicycle he can ride around and spit on people.
I don’t think he really wants it handed out to the down and outs, unless it’s been diluted and mis-interpreted by him and his fellow squirrels first.
He’s just dramatizing (on this count anyway) trying to kill the workability of the tech, since he can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube, so to speak.
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There’s a great history of that having been done with the work of the Buddha. That’s his model for this, I’m sure.
You can see it in their faces. Hell, you can probably see it in my face, and I’ve been to a bunch of them.
What’s great is when it’s the first impression of Scientology for people who’ve heard about it but had no first hand exposure to the Church.
Yes, and it’s kind of similar (but opposite effect) to people seeing the displays of Psychiatry: Industry of Death at CCHR.
I’ve been there a few times, and seen nurses/medical trainees and similar people see a side of psychiatry they’ve never been exposed to, just the suppressive and false PR.
I was there and saw that with one of them. It was amazing how clueless he was about Scientology, and how impressed he was at the ceremony and at what “normal” people we seemed to be. He had been heavily third-partied in Internet chats, etc., and found a very different scene.
He lifted up his mask and commed to several of us and just enjoyed the whole ceremony. I actually liked the kid; he was a social personality.
That’s not the full extent of his psych thinking by any means. And Freud would probably be a step up from the psych views he’s now trying to promote.
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You’ll probably see a lot more of this seeping into Marty’s pontifications now. There’s going to be more of this “you’re not responsible” think coming out in different ways.
oh, but he’s got plenty of excuses why he hasn’t got “a big booming org” starting with the “i’m bare-assed in the woods” excuse.
He’s still operating under the delusion that people want a shoddy, squirreled substitute for the real thing.
He’s busy trying to build a cult of personality so people will book time with him months in advance.
The dimwit never did cognite on the need for Orgs; he was too busy trying to destroy them.
Reginald said: Good exercise to figure out what the Rat’s Ideal Scene would be for an org.
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If you were able to do this on a meter, you could proceed from there to address a big part of what he’s operating on.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the meter explode.
You’re right, and if you cut through all the smoke you can see that all they have left is the effort to harm.
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Rathbun is trying to supplement his income by “auditing” people, since there’s declining money in the “say startling stuff” business for him.
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Other than that, there’s nothing there.
Glad you brought up that point about unkillability. That’s the great overview we tend to lose sight of.
You see some of that in the displays, which is why I mentioned it. There’s a lot of good press and other things you don’t see in the US.
Same intention, well spotted. It’s the ultimate ev purp.
I can just imagine how a squirrel would feel going into a new org like this. For an outright SP like Rathbun or Rinder it would just make their hatred boil, but for just a kind of looney squirrel (I know of a few) it would be interesting. They would have to feel lost in space.
It’s pretty much the opposite for me. I don’t think much about Rathbun or other squirrels/entheta merchants until I come here to keep abreast of what he’s up to and join the fun.
I forget about them all the time, since I don’t really read his blog or the village voice. Otherwise, they are just kind of off my radar. It’s probably the same with everyone else, too. The broad public, if I can speak generally, doesn’t know anything about him.
I think he’s just hoping that they will hear his garbage about Scientology before they can check out an Ideal Org for example.
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He’s just a little voice in the overall scheme of things and will never be known for anything positive. The Church is more well known for positive things every day.
LRH made other clear statements about buying whole blocks of buildings, etc.
I’ll see if I can dig up those quotes and post them here.
(Unless someone beats me to it.)
The key is always delivery, and always has been. SPs go crazy when they think more Scientology can be delivered.
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Notice Rathbun’s emphasis on pretending HE’s delivering something. It’s really a sad mimicry when you think about it.
It must drive him bat-nuts knowing others are moving to OT.
It’s close enough, and you’ll see many more before we’re done, all over.
LRH was always big on upgrading MEST, and keeping things ship-shape also.
It’s part of command over environment as I see it, and why SP’s who would cut our reach altogether try to stomp all over it.
Notice that whenever we get good press, or any press for that matter, SP’s jump all over it with entheta comments.
Nice to see this report, and I’d like to see more posted here. I look in every once in a while to see Rathbun taken apart the way he deserves, but the good news is worth seeing.
The contrast is impressive, and puts his raggedy *ss in perspective.
“remember Rathbun’s jaw-dropped “What is this?” when he visited? The guy couldn’t even comprehend past his shack-nature”
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I remember that and it was hilarious. It was like he couldn’t even conceive of the expansion since he blew himself away.
I even had the feeling that the guy was so out of it, he couldn’t understand how the church could go on without him. He was too semi-conscious to know he was one of the barriers all those years.
While that is true for all of us, it’s particularly apt with Rathbun, since it’s the last thing he would ever confront.
He places responsibility (his version=blame) elsewhere as routine.
…or duplicity.
That’s just Marty thinking he’s being clever, but only those who want to fall for it, do.
He’s got a couple dozen people who are willing to totally suspend disbelief in order to encourage his destructiveness. The rest of us see how silly it is on the surface of it.
I remember that roof well!! I co-audited my objectives on that roof
I’ve been to three ideal orgs in Europe. Each and every one of them is jaw dropping. When asked do describe them I usually say “well have you seen the FH post refurb? well the FH has some competition !!”
They are amazing. In the European city I now live in I commonly stand and watch the public reaction as they walk by the ideal org. It’s quite astounding. People will stop in the street, start looking in the window at the public displays; they get quite animated as they point at the displays and talk to their friends about it. Then they just walk in. I’ve honestly never seen anything like it. I used to body route outside Tottenham court road in London so I know how difficult it just to get someone’s attention.
I also go look at the stats boards in the ideal orgs on my travels. In each and every case its a different world to the days of co-auditing on a roof. We are in a totally new range of expansion. I think back to just 5 years ago. Would what we have accomplished recently have been remotely real then? Definitely not. It’s nothing short of miraculous !!!
If you had him on the meter you’d witness a rockslam – one that would just not turn off.
“It’s mostly US/UK (and of course the German/French SP press) that goes for the old science fiction slant.”
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That is what the vested interest press do. It is pathetic. when they report on a Christian event they don’t say, “One time carpenter Jesus, now the Son of God.”
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They are so bigoted it is almost funny. It is ingrained in their editorial culture.
Marty is an angel of death. That may sound extreme, but it is a fact.
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In some writings LRH talks about death as a necessary part of evolution and survival in the long term. It is part of the Theta Mest Theory – Theta impinges upon Mest, becomes enturbulated, dies, comes back again having learned something new about Mest and the cycle repeats on the conquest of the Mest universe.
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Marty thinks that by destroying or killing Scientology, a better version will evolve. That is what he said to me – see my first articles. (That is his justifications anyway for the suppressive acts he commits daily).
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What the dumb Rat obviously never understood is that with Scientology, the value of death has been eclipsed by a proper understanding of theta, and the ability to disenturbulate it within a life time – the life time of an individual and the life time of an organization.
Like most of you guys, I enjoy checking in here to see what the Rat is up to and the new insanities that he has concocted to explain away his ser facs and evil purposes.
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However, while I find it entertaining in a strange way, I can state emphatically that almost no other Scientologists I know can be bothered with him and his BS at all. I know a few that have seen some of the entheta, and one for one they have steered away from it. This is not because they can’t confront it – it is because it is entheta and does nothing to assist them with their lives.
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It’s kind of like if you have a house with a view over a beautiful valley where you can watch the wildlife, enjoy spectacular views, experience the raw power of nature – why would you want to have a steaming pile of shit dumped in the middle of that spoiling the view? You wouldn’t. It’s not that you can’t confront shit. It’s just that shit is shit and it belongs in sewers underground.
You and me both. I enjoy the fun too, bit not every day and usually not if there is something good on TV.
“the “i’m bare-assed in the woods” excuse.”
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LOL!! That one will stay with him to the end of time. It has to be one of the lamest and funniest excuses in the world.
I didn’t know that! I think I’ll do some. I have all the booklets in my bookcase and I refer to them as often as I do the OEC vols or Management Series. They are packed with some really good data. In fact, I think that the handbook is the best value for money book we have. I am glad to hear it is being promoted.
“even in all those years LRH never said, “Hey, give me a break – I’m bare-assed in the woods.” He got students studying and Qual qual’ing and the 100 other things that it took.”
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That is the difference between LRH and people like Marty. LRH saw what needed to be done to get products, and so he just got on with it. There are not many people that can do that – just get on with it and do what needs to be done without whining. COB is someone who can do it, and that is what makes him so exceptional, and why the SPs are so afraid of him.
Good call – that is the bottom line. They are afraid of COB. When he comes around, they are all in hiding. When it’s dark and they think he is gone, they creep out of their holes and, bare-assed, dance around in the fire light with Marty and chant strange things hoping the gods will make them brave and happy. It doesn’t work, but they keep doing it like some strange cult that has assigned all responsibility and all cause elsewhere.
There is a great LRH quote about that which I need to look up for you. I can’t remember it exactly, but it’s the one where he says when the squirrels complain about a program, then that is the one to push. It’s no wonder that the squirrels complain about the Ideal Orgs program.
“Get the SPs off the lines and things just improve naturally and without effort.”
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That is so true, and something I have seen so often. It is often quite dramatic – there has been a huge effort to keep the show on the road and then the SP is found and removed and it’s like magic the way the tone soars, production occurs and things just seem to go right.
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My local AO is also doing great – stats are all up over the past 3 years and it is a steady and sustained expansion.
Great comment M.M. Flag is one of my most favorite places on earth. For me is it a place where I just know that a new civilization is being made. It is safe – you can leave your valuables in your room or in the course room and know they will not be stolen – and it is calm and sane.
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The other place I also love is the Freewinds. Whenever I go there I just key out at all the space and the totally theta environment.
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I can’t wait for the super power release and all the new people that will be introduced to Flag and the Ideal Scene as a result.
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I love being a Scientologist. I love studying every day. I love auditing and being audited!!
I do too!! I love it! I wish everyone had the wins that I have!
“Marty the Rat claims to be pro-LRH. By his actions he disrespects LRH every day of his life. COB on the other hand genuinely and demonstrably has complete respect for LRH.”
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By their products you will know them.
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It is so easy to talk big and deliver nothing. That is why the Rat does it – except that he can’t even talk big with any conviction.
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COB delivers the goods. That is why so many people adore him.
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Sorry Rat – you are outclassed.
“These are exciting times – if you are a Scientologist and not an SP that is.”
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It is probably exciting for the SPs too – if you find spiraling down a chute leading to a white hot fire exciting!
The rotten apples are usually found pretty quickly, and removed.
Somewhere in the comments there was something about how Marty claims to be a victim, and seems to think that is a good thing to do. If there is anything that turns me off about that guy it is the fact that he does the victim thing so much. I can’t stand people who are victims, and I truly cannot understand someone who has studied Scientology, who then claims to be a victim. Seems to me they completely missed the boat on what Scientology is all about.
He sure did miss the boat. Which makes it all the more amazing that he claims to deliver Scientology to people, and even more amazing that there are actually people who sign up and pay him.
The people that go see him are not going because they expect to get any case gain. They may expect to get some mutual out ruds, they may expect to get some ser fac bolstering, and they may expect to get some notoriety. But they do not expect to get case gain.
That is more true than you probably realize. I know, having received auditing from him, that it is worthless. In fact,worse than worthless as that is simply a zero, and his auditing is a negative in that it is damaging and something that will have to be repaired at some future time.
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People who go see him are looking for agreement on their overts – looking for petrol to be poured on their fires.
Don’t get me started!! That is not the only thing that Rat did not get. Group Dianetics and An Essay on Management, both 1951, explain how to handle groups in the event that one thinks there is something wrong (not that there is). Destruction of the group, torpedoing of the Goal Maker’s Goals, and negation of all the Policy that have been developed is not part of the handling by any stretch of the imagination. It is just not there.
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Marty Rathbun is an SP, pure and simple. It is no more complicated than that.
Agreed – I hate the victim thing too. The whole point of Scientology is to get people to be cause, and for someone to relish being a victim the way Rathbun does is just gross.
The victim thing is common to all of the squirrels and SPs that post on his site.
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I guess they start out claiming to be victims, knowing it is a lie. But then after a while they are no longer claiming that consciously, and it becomes an automaticity. And then after a while they truly believe they are victims.
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It will end with them being real victims. Victims of their own stupidity of invoking a bank mechanism to make themselves seem right. Duh!