Marty Rathbun has a long, inglorious record of creating one disaster after another.
LRH said in HCOB Psychosis, More About that:
“The actual basis of all psychosis is motive. It is NOT competence or incompetence.”
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“A true psychotic can be brilliant or stupid, competent or incompetent. It is his general motive or purpose that determines whether or not he is insane or sane.
Famous psychotics like Napoleon, Ivan the Terrible, Stalin and Hitler were all quite brilliant yet wound up destroying everything in sight including their own people.
They had a destructive basic purpose. Every psychotic has one. It is usually covert, hidden, but in full play against his unsuspecting friends.
The sole difference in motive is whether it is destructive or constructive.
Everyone has a basic purpose. The psychotic has a destructive one.
The test of a personality, then, is whether the result of a person’s activity is destructive or constructive.”
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“The being then goes on from disaster to disaster, seeking overtly or covertly to destroy everything around him.”
If you were looking for an illustration of this in the world around you, the history and actions of Marty Rathbun would be one of the best examples you can find. Not only because of the number of disasters he has left in his wake, which are now legendary, but because of the efforts he makes to see that his destructive acts are now well known.
Rathbun has admitted to some of the most destructive acts in the history of Scientology when a staff member. It was in fact being thwarted in his efforts to always create one psychotic fight, one potential disaster after another that sent Rathbun into a psychotic break wherein his hidden motives became starkly visible.
“Many antisocial personalities will freely confess to the most alarming crimes when forced to do so, but will have no faintest sense of responsibility for them.”
By his own estimate, Rathbun’s self-admitted disasters cost the Church over $40 million years ago. Today, Marty Rathbun complains painfully and loudly and attacks the Church on the subject of – what else? – money.
He spends his time now working to align himself with the most destructive (of Scientology) figures he can find.
Many of these are classic Merchants of Chaos in the media, but Rathbun has himself become such a Merchant. It is all he does.
Marty Rathbun pays lip-service to delivering some altered, unrecognizable version of Scientology processing to others, but his results there can be seen as destructive as well, with his victims reverting to drug and alcohol abuse, families in turmoil, and others deciding against any future “services” whatsoever.
Those who share his destructive motives may support him and overlook how destructive they actually are. To them, his continuous destructive actions align with their own purposes, though they might work hard to portray their own motives otherwise.
A growing number of others who once paid attention to Rathbun are drifting away from him quietly, having come to their senses and seeing that all he does is produce destructive efforts in one form or another.
Here’s hoping that more people recognize Marty Rathbun in the LRH quotes above, and come to their senses.
Very well written article and spot on reference. Speaking of disasters Marty just created a new one. Good Morning America was more a promo piece for the Church than Cook.
Was Marty on drugs or booze ‘cause he came across looking like a nut.
I agree. What’s with his mouth? He’s got some disease – horse mouth disease?
Marty is sloshed on tequila and forgot to swallow the worm. The worm is in his mouth still. Look closely and ya see it next to his tongue.
I saw what you’re referring to. Rathbun gets dry mouth when he’s on video with a broader audience. He can’t help it. To put it in rough terms, he’s nervous that he will be seen to be lying. It comes down to fear.
He doesn’t get dry when making videos for his captive cult audience, because he knows they already believe his falsehoods.
Yes, phrases like “extremely powerful Church” didn’t help Marty’s suppressive little cause much.
I also liked the quote about the unreliability of apostates.
I see Marty is rowing his boat again. That boat and he keep paddling across the water. Like ticking rabbit. Looks like a brute of a sailor to me! LOL!
Marty’s a media whore. Always was and always will be. He’s stretching his 15 minutes of fame over and over and over. He looks ugly and mr. toughie. Boring. But I got to say he’s got nice muscles – I guess from rowing his boat! Lol!
Who is whoring who – marty whoring cook or cook whoring marty. I heard from far too many that it is marty pimping cookie. Marty, marty, marty – he’s got his clientele and he’s got his harlem and he’s got his groupies. It’s all about marty, me, me, marty.
What’s with Rathbunny’s blog – gag baggers galore. Are we serious. It’s always the same tie, same boat, same drunk looking face. Don’t trust him. He’s too used car sellish.
Have some sympathy for the way he looks – he’s a Texas skid row bum.
Someone pointed me to that piece, and while it’s really stupid that they would do a “news” piece about this stupidity, I enjoyed the bit with Rathbun. He really did come across looking like a standard nut. He reminded me of one of those paranoid “debunkers” that get quoted on various pieces about unusual subjects.
They’re excited and nervous about being interviewed, anxious to say as much as they can really fast, and you just know they could go on about it all day because deep down they’re scared to death by the topic.
I used to watch shows like that on A&E all the time just to see what kind of creepy debunkers would be consulted as a kind of “anti” viewpoint on shows like “did ancient aliens build Chichen Itza?” and that sort of thing.
I really think Rathbun is terrified of people and went all cotton-mouth at the thought of a lot of people seeing him. (and maybe seeing through him)
I just went and found the video. I was so distracted by his manner that I missed what he said. I’ll bet other people did too.
“…Rathbun has himself become such a Merchant. It is all he does.”
He tried it again when Cook referred GMA to him apparently as a “source” of info. He was terrible. They might as well have left him out.
Plus, he looks awful. I think Vince is right; Rathbun’s sinking pretty damn fast. He looks like if he hasn’t hit bottom, he’s very close.
She went out of her way to connect up with Rathbun – even landed in Tejas. You could tell from her write up that Rathbun practically scripted it for her. She hit all of Rathbun’s natter points. It sounded like one of his “PC Success” stories that he scripts.
Disaster Marty is an understatement. Think about those in his vicinity and what happens to them over his life – mother suicide, brothers institutionalized, next oldest brother was murdered, a woman friend shot and murdered in his presence, he destroyed more than one org and unit per his originated confessions, he wiped out more than a few dozen staff — say about 12 dozen, he lost case after case and millions, he’s got a few dope smokers on dope after his auditing of them, and just a few addicted obessess porno and beastality perverts all in his little pocket. Yep, you can say he’s a disaster maker. I spoke to Steve Hall a few times to get into his head about Marty. I needed to do a reality check on myself afterwards but it was a fascinating glimpse into what effect Marty has had on Hall — he’s like some suicide bomber nut for Rathbun.
Vince, you’re blog work is too easy. Just look at any LRH quote about SP’s/antisocial personalities and it applies to Rathbun. He’s almost a cartoon version of a classic, frothing SP.
Still, I liked it.
Oh, stay tuned. Rathbun goes from one to another. He probably thinks that was a big win, and Cook, too.
I was in an elevator yesterday and a woman said to a male friend “they have a billion dollars in the bank? Wow.”
I realized that now Rathbun has got Cook issuing footbullets. That was actually positive PR for the Church.
I think it’s time for Rathbun to freely admit to more alarming crimes. You know they’re there, he just hasn’t admitted them yet.
Saw the Good Morning America show. Rathbun looks a mess. What is up with his mouth. Was he chewing tabacco or something. I heard a rumor that he has cancer of the mouth from his addictive 3 packs of smokes per day per year. I saw him at Mary Joe’s last year and he smelled like a chimmey, looked like a chimmey and was as black as one. But on the show he looked like a loser. In fact, he looked like a skid row grain alcohol bum. Yes, he is the master of disaster and that has been his game (war) since the day he became a thetan.
He does remind me of alcoholics I’ve seen. I know you were joking, but you can bet he’s still heavy into alcohol.
” Not only because of the number of disasters he has left in his wake, which are now legendary,”
The last couple of articles here talked about some of his disasters just in the last year. Is there really anybody who doesn’t realize what a joke Rathbun is?
I mean I think even his “friends” have to realize how he comes off. Are they just glad it’s not them?
The results of Rathbuns activities are always destructive if you look closely. There just aren’t any results that don’t have some little suppressive twist, like his PC’s all “cogniting” how bad the Church is, and COB.
What kind of “result” is someone going on the internet complaining about donating for their freedom?
Nice article. Keep pointing out Rathbun’s real results and psychosis. There are a small handful of such people who take it upon themselves to campaign against the one thing that will really help their fellow man, so Rathbun is not new news. He’s just a loud one.
The others come and go and fall by the wayside historically, and Rathbun will, too. Meanwhile, keep doing what you’re doing until more see it.
In my experience with the Indies, once they start committing suppressive acts and stacking up huge overts, they frequently get back into drugs or heavy drinking and perverted sexual practices. In my opinion it is part of the effort to destroy – including themselves as they are in treason on the first dynamic as well.
BTW, I liked the reference you used. We also have data from C/S Series 22:
“The easiest way for a C/S to detect the insane are:
“1. Pretending to do a post or duties, the real consistent result is destructive to the group in terms of breakage, lost items, injured business, etc.
(Rathbun has admitted to many destructive acts.)
… “6. They often seek transfers or wish to leave.”
(Note that Rathbun blew three times.)
… “WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS ‘NO!’ the psychotic either:
“a. caves himself in physically or
“b. runs away.”
Rathbun has deteriorated over the last couple of years, so is certainly caving himself in physically and we know from the repeated blows, that he “runs away.”
Yeah, great “TRs”, huh? Next we’ll hear from Marty that he doesn’t believe he needs TRs any more than he needs a C/S or Examiner!
My take was that even ABC realized that it was so bizarre someone who was supposedly still a member of the Church would be spreading around such lies to the members that they thought it was “news worthy”. Even they obviously got the big outpoint and violation of policy for such an action. It is covered right in the Suppressive Acts PL. It was kind of creepy seeing Rathbun. The way he looks doesn’t do anything for the PR of apostates – makes them look like … well what they are – nattery scumbags.
He had a funny comm lag – like he had to listen to the voices in his head tell him the party line circuit phrases from his reactive mind before he said anything.
Marty really is a walking demo of “Glutz PR”. Interesting that someone like Marty, who consistently brags about how “trained” he is, in truth has no understanding of issues as basic as the PR Series.
Have you seen the spoof video on Youtube of Marty rowing his boat to the music from Jaws?
Good spotting that! It is so true, these chronic liars, like Rathbun, are always particularly nervous on camera. I’ve noticed that Paul Haggis, also a chronic liar, does that too – he sweats and and gets tongue-tied, forgets people’s names, etc. The only exception I have seen to that rule is Tory Christman, who is so truly stupid that she doesn’t have the sense to be nervous.
Well, “Bluto” the sailor, maybe! (Remember Popeye’s nemesis?) Bluto and Marty are both big, dumb and nasty.
Well, stay tuned! I have no doubt Mary will have more disasters on parade this year and Vince will post them all!
You meant “Marty” I think…instead of Mary.
Yes, you could see Rathbun’s hand all over it; both the content and the format. But the long term O/W’s behind the mess of a situation she got herself in were all hers.
Good summary, and I’m sure you didn’t get everything. He even turned his honeymoon into a disaster.
I think one could safely say Rathbun is an overt product-maker.
Boy, with all the people on the net calling out Rathbun for his insanities, you wonder how he can hold his head up and pretend he’s cool
Blows seem to be a real common denominator with Rathbun and his friends. Except I guess with those SP’s like Caberta and Bunker who never were there to blow in the first place.
Yeah, the ABC thing didn’ tlook like a standard hit piece, it looked like they were trying to keep some kind of distance from Cook and Rathbun and the whole scene.
Not only is Rathbun a disaster creator, but he seems to connect up with other people who do, too. Look at Berry, his whole career is a disaster. Bunker can’t even get a documentary made. Caberta? You can answer that yourself, she’s a walking disaster job wise and as an alcoholic and drug case. Karen DC with the petition stupidity, and on and on.
I think he even gets people to create disasters who wouldn’t be creating them without his influence.
I think I’ll re-read Robotism now that I mention this.
You’re right, they did seem kind of surprised at how out of character the whole thing was. They seemed as surprised that these apostates would turn on the church they way they did as they were about anything else.
This is the most valid way to look at it. I’ve always thought of their drug use, out 2D escapades, alcoholism, etc., as just behavior they were suppressing for the longest time because it violated the moral codes of the group they were pretending to be a part of for so long. They cut loose when they finally admit the truth of their low conditions and blow.
I think of it as them being “as out-ethics as they want to.” I’ve seen that many times with people in the past who left the Church.
Note also that Cook had gotten herself lathered up over a long period of time. She concealed long-term “disagreements” (counter-intention) with making money or even asking for it, she got herself into a serious “medical condition” (PTS, anyone?) etc., etc.
Anyone in good standing that she communicated to who doesn’t spot those outpoints needs to get their own basics in.
I like your take on that, Sharpie. I can see it. He looked anxious to be believed. He did look like one of those guys who were so rabid on the subject that if you made the mistake of buying him a cup of coffee, he’d burn your ears off and never stop…just happy to have an audience for his obsessive efforts to stop the whole thing…
Interesting viewpoint. I stopped watching that sort of thing when they seemed to bring on the same old cast of debunkers, like the “skeptic” types. I remember one guy, an MD, who looked over a UFO video (that looked like maybe a studio model) and he didn’t even call it a “hoax,” which would have been believable. He called it “swamp gas.”
Rathbun reminds me a lot of that guy.
True, and funny to those of us who can spot his outpoints. But he’s a vicious cartoon.
He did come off looking like a nut. It really looked like they were trying to squeeze him in just to touch all the bases with a “controversial” viewpoint, and then get him off camera and forget him as soon as possible.
It was a standard fast report format. They needed a second source to add credence to Cook, otherwise they could be accused of forwarding a simple one-sided whine.
This is media version of “corroboration.” They could actually care less about what he had to say or who he is.
“The test of a personality, then, is whether the result of a person’s activity is destructive or constructive.”
This is the best way to tell who you are dealing with throughout all of life. Rathbun is a pretty clear example of always destructive, but many other people sometimes are destructive personalities who don’t always make destructive results, or at least they don’t look that way. You have to look at people over all.
But I agree, Rathbun is a disaster specialist.
Right. The “story” has no shelf life as it was so insignificant in the big scheme of things. What gets me is that anyone can think that they can violate policy by writing what amounted to a public knowledge report (specifically forbidden by LRH) to complain about something they think is off-policy. In other words, you commit a Suppressive Act to complain about someone doing something you think is off-policy. To a psycho like Marty Rathbun this makes sense since it feeds his motivation to destroy Scientology while trying to make money off it on the side by grabbing what he can for himself. Very complex. Very nuts. What I got from ABC is that the Church is powerful. The Church has big names connected with it. It has lots of money as evidenced by all the construction of new Churches going on. It is obvious that it has a lot of support amongst members otherwise it would not have that much money. Therefore the “controversy” that they had to interject to make it into a story was some dumb-ass sending around a nattry letter to other Scientologists to try and stop them from supporting the Church.
One more thing. I know that people have been having fun making remarks about how bad Rathbun looked for a national TV show, but I think we should cool it as he may get the idea he needs to clean up his act. Right now he is a good representation of the apostates / Indies.
Right. And then they complain because members of the Church don’t engage in such behavior. Like we’re all supposed to go into agreement with the out-ethics in society. No thanks.
this is well known here. it’s standard daily practice with rat and friends, especially rinder. rinder is even getting a red drinker’s nose.
“they frequently get back into drugs or heavy drinking and perverted sexual practices. In my opinion it is part of the effort to destroy – including themselves as they are in treason on the first dynamic as well.”
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It’s an inverted dramatization of being “free.”
Nice part here: “Many of these are classic Merchants of Chaos in the media, but Rathbun has himself become such a Merchant. It is all he does.”
I think Rathbun intentionally modeled himself after some of those guys, but decided to be even worse and more overtly lie. After all, these were the guys who defeated HIM, and won over HIM, so he figured that was a successful way to go.
What blows my mind is how they think this is going to win them a whole bunch of people out of the church. Yawn.
” In other words, you commit a Suppressive Act to complain about someone doing something you think is off-policy.”
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Great point. Sounds a whole lot like Sam Domingo, too. In fact, I think this is where Marty “piloted” this idea of sending out suppressive-act emails like this to protest “off-policy” actions. But with Dingo, there were too many people who already knew she was an in-your-face psycho, like Tory.
With Cook, people have to look at the real outpoints of how she fell (or made herself fall.)
Perfect. You don’t commit suppressive acts to complain about something being off-policy and you being the effect of your motivators.
“Marty Rathbun has a long, inglorious record of creating one disaster after another.”
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That’s enough right there to be your blog article.
Anybody who looks at Rathbun from time to time can fill in the details for themselves.
As a long time watcher of such nutjobs, I can confirm that she’s never been cursed with the slightest hint of self-consciousness.
right, and that will definitely be part of his undoing, if he isn’t completely undone already. that, plus the fact that he’s on a dwindling spiral of his own creation.
Agreed. Her email and the reporting of it made the Church appear more powerful than other reports prior to this.
Someone called it “glutz PR” (from the PR series) and it may be that, but it’s definitely a “foot-bullet” (one of Rinder’s catch-phrases).
Rathbun sets out to make the Church look bad, and in the process makes it look better. I guess that could qualify as yet another Rathbun disaster.
Vince you have done it again. Absolutely brillian observations and spot on application of LRH tech. Whether he be smart or stupid there is no questioning Marty’s intention.
“Everyone has a basic purpose. The psychotic has a destructive one” LRH could not have been clearer.
No matter how much Marty may tryhe looks more like a patient for Malibu Rehab than an expert on religions.
Or judgement, or good taste for that matter.
“Marty Rathbun pays lip-service to delivering some altered, unrecognizable version of Scientology processing to others,…”
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If Rathbun had much understanding of Scientology, there isn’t much to show for it in what he has done in the last year or so. (But he did train his wife to do Level 3 actions. We do I doubt that?)
“… but his results there can be seen as destructive as well, with his victims reverting to drug and alcohol abuse, families in turmoil, and others deciding against any future “services” whatsoever. …”
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It isn’t insanity to decide against future ‘service’ from Rathbun, that’s for sure!!!
Great analysis Carlos. There’s always a Rathbun twist, even when examining his so-called life.
“I think he even gets people to create disasters who wouldn’t be creating them without his influence.”
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What a great influence he is–but his name still isn’t going to go down in any history after he burns himself out.
“He’s just a loud one. The others come and go and fall by the wayside historically, and Rathbun will, too.”
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I have no doubt that you are right. Why? Because every action he tries so hard with turns into a flash in the pan and because he is only preaching to the converted. Every time people see him, I get people asking about Scientology, who become very interested in it, many who have become good students.
“I mean I think even his “friends” have to realize how he comes off.”
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I expect that you use a pretty loose version of the word “friends”, all of whom are as desperate as he is, all of whom are driven by compulsions very similar to his…thus the “affinity”.
“What kind of “result” is someone going on the internet complaining about donating for their freedom?”
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Test question, right? OK; it is the result of their having done some anti-social act involving money which they think that may have been found out about…and are constantly flipping justifiers in their heads…and are constantly flipping justifiers in their heads…and are constantly flipping justifiers in their heads…and are constantly flipping justifiers in their heads…oh, and then they hit the internet with a complete inversion cause if they say it enough, I’m gonna believe them.
I think he meant martyr.
I’m getting the impression that Rathbun is becoming the dregs that he generates. Back to the perpetual motion idea in the last thread, isn’t it.
Those of us that were unfortunate to work under Rathbun know that any claim he made to be trained in either admin tech or auditing is a complete falsehood, based on personal experience.
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He musical chaired org boards, invalidated and suppressed the staff (especially the better staff), he issued unreal orders that were contrary to policy and specialized in installing arbitraries.
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EVERYTHING he accuses anyone else of is something that he himself is guilty of. The only tech he applies ‘standardly’ is that he follows the Criminal Mind HCOB to the letter and can be seen in every paragraph of it.
Ex-Indie
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You said, “In other words, you commit a Suppressive Act to complain about someone doing something you think is off-policy.”
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It is a old saying that has long been a part of the English language that “2 wrongs don’t make a right.” Any school kid knows that. The logic and mathematics of the saying are unassailable. And yet that is part of the reactive thinking motivating the Rat – “I will correct my past Suppressive Acts by committing new Suppressive Acts in present time.”
Can you blame the poor Rat? I mean, after 3 years of doing his damndest to harm the Church, he is having to confront the fact that he has nothing to show for his efforts, while the Church continues to expand at unprecedented rates. Of course he is going to look and sound desperate – he is.
Interesting to hear that. I have a lot of close friends in the UK, and in talking to over 30 of them I have only discovered 2 that got the letter and both of those just sent it to OSA. Over here she is a non-event.
They use a bank mechanism to try and lessen their overts instead of taking responsibility and using ethics tech, and, having allowed the bank to take control they then get sucked in by it and start dramatizing and abiding by bank ‘principles’ on all dynamics. . . and down they spiral.
Right! The bank’s idea of free.
That dry mouth thing he has going on is a lot like the dry mouth we saw Caberta displaying.
With her it is a side effect of all the psychiatric drugs she is on – look at any psych victim and you see the same thing. I suspect that Marty is on medication. I know we have long suggested that he will finally end up on psych drugs in a psych facility, and when I saw that video I realized that he probably is already on some as we speak.
Sorry Ana. I thought Jimmy made the first remark.
Exactly Sharpe. There must be a lot of stupid involved, and desperation too, to think that Rathbun is a solution for anything. But, I guess once you have dug yourself into a hole that deep, you may as well ask The Rat to take a dump on you as well.
Ah! The Sunday Rathbun Cartoons
“like?” I don’t think there was any ‘like’ about it. The twists in his thinking had half a hundred Rat turds to get around also. Imagine the pre-briefing abuse he had to go through.
So much of their lives that I don’t want to know about. Yet, they keep flaunting their destruction.
Can you imagine a productive person, a sane person, wasting their time or energy believing these kind of people?
“He doesn’t get dry when making videos for his captive cult audience, because he knows they already believe his falsehoods.”
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That’s a good point. Rathbun knows how desperate they are and isn’t afraid of losing their “help”.
I always find it amusing that they consistently expend so much energy doing their idiot moves and they consistently get no traction or momentum. They violate every rule imaginable yet expect something that eludes them every time – as if they announce a big ballet, but don’t study, don’t practice, don’t appreciate that there are fine points, and then are surprised when all they get are more and more
ridiculousridiculing interviews. If it weren’t for the schadenfreude, I wouldn’t have any freud at all.Indeed. No thanks.
Deeper and deeper he goes. Rathbun and desperation are the same word now.
You know a person by his actions. Kind of obvious where Rathbun’s heading by his deeds.