Marty Rathbun has never had clean hands with regards to Scientology. He’s admitted to some of the most despicable (and hidden) acts while he was pretending to be a legitimate staff member. He has a self-admitted history of a bizarre and often self-invented technical actions when he had access to a genuine e-meter, and left a trail of people needing extensive repair, when they didn’t in fact abandon their Bridges altogether after his “handlings.”
Now that he’s blown far from any ethics oversight, Rathbun would have us believe that his hands are now clean, and his efforts to “salvage” Scientology sincere and pure.
His actions and “products” tell the real tale, however. Broken relationships, drug reversions, alcoholism, backbiting, and of course the de rigeur Church-bashing are the normal Rathbun results of his “services.”
All this is not really new. Marty Rathbun is a textbook squirrel, and LRH wrote about him and his ilk quite a few years ago:
“Over the past 15 years we have seen a lot of groups splinter off from Scientology and beat the drum for some offbeat use of the technology. We call them “squirrels” because they are so nutty. They come and they go. We’re still here and will continue to be….
We don’t object to Dianetics or Scientology being used. We prefer it to have its right name. But we like to have it in clean hands….
They are quite violent on the subject of ethics as you ordinarily expect a criminal to be and are savage about organizations, having stolen money and lists from ours. They are being careful not to attack me publicly in the hopes people will think them noble and inspired. They’re inspired all right – by the “buck.” But we wish them no bad luck. We don’t have to. It’s punishment enough just to be themselves and live with what they are.” ….
Marty Rathbun has predictably tried the same ploy as squirrels have used since day one – being careful not to attack the Founder publicly in the hopes people will think him noble and inspired. We know how violent he is on the subject of ethics, and when not violent, steers people away from it altogether. Whatever feels good is OK with Rathbun and friends, regardless of the harm it does on any dynamic. One might even think Rathbun encourages out-ethics as a way to help others hold themselves off the Bridge.
Most of his daily actions to slander the Church and honest members of it are textbook violations of Suppressive Acts as laid out in policy by LRH. One of Rathbun’s favorites is his self-promoted desire to “save” Scientology, which he apparently feels he will do by employing reverse-Dianetics, implanting techniques, group hypnotism (even these ideas he squirrels) and bizarre applications of specious propaganda techniques.
Pretty much what you would expect from a textbook squirrel. And all of Rathbun’s chittering and running around and around in circles can’t cover for the fact that he’s just another textbook squirrel and SP.
“Soon they’ll have one another’s throats cut or in jail and that will be that….
If you meet anyone going off to this group, list them with your Ethics Officer. They will never be given any upper level materials or training.
We don’t really wish them any harm. We only hope they don’t hurt too many when they crash.
Then I suppose we’ll have to pick up the pieces….
Their influence is far less than they pretend. They seem big (like any SP) because they sent literature to our org officers in an effort to suppress them. Their public reach is very tiny. Don’t help it….
They may bring temporary enturbulation to your area but beyond that have no other importance as such groups die easily and we make a habit of survival.”
LRH
27 Sept 65
“Marty Rathbun has never had clean hands with regards to Scientology.”
Rathbun has practically broadcast this fact. It’s such an out basic, you wonder who on earth would connect with him if they knew the basics of life. Because you know he’s never cleaned himself up, he doesn’t even practice getting off O’s and W’s.
Amazing quote from 1965. The parallels to Rathbun and Rinder and their buddies look totally prescient. That should tell you what kind of an aberrated pattern they are actually obeying rather than their own self-determined choices.
Even down to the stolen “lists” Rathbun is nailed by this.
I’ve watched other squirrels follow the textbook squirrel script, but Rathbun seems to use it as a guideline of what he does.
Sounds like Rathbun is going around trying to squirrel up as many cases as he can that will have to be cleaned up at some point. But you mention the church-bashing, which seems to be what his pc’s success stories all have in common, so I’m thinking he’s just trying to create as many of those as possible. He’s absolutely not interested in helping others with their cases.
He reminds me of a guy who took a bunch of students off the academy long ago and took them to a park and was using a TV antenna to read their thoughts and run past lives.
You made an article recently about how Rathbun is a parasite off LRH, and that is what he looks like to me and this is why he tries not to go up front with criticism of LRH. He wants people to think he follows LRH tech so he can profit from stealing it and selling a squirrel version of it. He is just someone who can only make money by living off the work of others.
You would think that Rathbun would read a quote like this and cave in. He knows his hands are far from clean, and he makes them dirtier every day. Further, we know that he knows this. He can pretend all he wants, he can deliver sensational out-gradient out-tech (he’s making “NOTS completions”!!!) over extreme out-ruds and out basics no less, and even with his inability to duplicate Source he knows it’s squirrely and harmful.
But you are right; it’s really hopeless because he is a textbook SP and squirrel and his intentions are the opposite of what they need to be to genuinely help others.
His products do tell the real tale and he just can’t seem to create enough Martybots to stop his slide. There is, however, a real shortage from what I can tell of people who come back for more, except for a hard core of SP cohorts. There is a guy who couldn’t get through a sec check in the church and blew that Rathbun declared a NOTS comp, and you can bet he is just as miserable a Scientology hater now than when he started, if not more.
Looks like Marty and friends are even mimicking the business about sending literature to org officers in an effort to enturbulate them. These jokers ought to read what LRH thinks of this in the quote above, and then they can drop the bulls**t line about how they are being loyal to his legacy.
I really don’t think Rathbun has any intentions that are “sincere and pure”.
Any truly tech trained person can tell you what aberrated mental dictates Rathbun is following – it truly is textbook. They can also tell you that they would be the very last thing Rathbun and other squirrels like him would ever address in their own cases.
I think of him and them not just as squirrels, but robots to their own aberrations. The justified thought aspect of it is what acts as a smokescreen because it adds so many “reasonable” sounding justifications. Unfortunately, others have bought into these rationalizations.
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It’s too very sad that they didn’t avail themselves of basic Dianetics and Scientology when they had the chance. They might not be stuck in this individuated and perverse game.
I don’t agree with you guys on a lot of things, but you are right about Rathbun being a squirrel. I had auditing from him and just was happy to get away. It was all pr really, and I’ve had auditing from real auditors but rathbun just seemed to do what he wanted in session. He thinks acting all ARC with his PC will handle anything. At one point I was sitting there with a serious withhold and thought I would have to give it up, but he just went right past it. I finally realized the whole session was about him and how “good” he was. It was like he was trying to talk me into having wins. But the worst part was his attitude about how he knows everything better than anyone tech wise.
Anyway I escaped and won’t go back. I imagine he really got into some weirdly squirrelly things with other people, because he just does what he pleases in session. I felt like that meter was a dangerous instrument in his hands.
Great quote. I like the part about how their public reach is very tiny. Rathbun only reaches into an already disaffected/apostate public for his auditing clients, and other than that his only reach is into some yellow journalism creeps to slander Scientology.
He’s definitely a classic. I think he probably thinks he’s unique, but he’s just a standard, classic SP. The details may change, but it’s the same old dramatization.
I hadn’t seen that quote where he says “They are being careful not to attack me publicly in the hopes people will think them noble and inspired.”
This tends to shoot down Rathbun’s whole play about how he’s “pro” LRH, doesn’t it?
he really is that much of a low level crook. the rest is just window dressing. plus he really is psychotic and is driven to harm, all his actions show that at the end of the day.
Thanks, that’s interesting and sounds really like a mild version of what Rathbun is up to in session. There’s already evidence that he audits NOTS procedures on lower level pc’s. What you said about him and a meter is the scary part.
I’d like to hear from someone who has realized how dangerous his procedures are on their cases and lives.
“…the de rigeur Church-bashing are the normal Rathbun results of his “services.””
All you have to do is see what his victims do after getting his auditing and you can see Rathbun’s real agenda. He’s just trying to create a platoon of haters to join his revenge game. If he can suck money out of it, all the better but he would probably do it anyway.
I think you would have to wait a long time before Rathbun would cave or even see. He’s would have to come into valence first, and that technically won’t happen the way he’s gone.
You were one of the lucky ones. Smart, too.
Rathbun seems a lot more vicious than earlier squirrels though.
Their equivalent are emails to those lists. But the flow is the same, except there’s a real outright effort to get people to leave the Church. So that part is nastier. Plus, they deny they are squirrels. Anyone who knew Sam Domingo knows how bogus this all is.
That was overtly squirrelly. Rathbun does more covert things like use upper level processes on lower level pc’s. If he really knew the tech the way he pretends to, he would know how wrong that is. Come to think of it, that’s probably why he does it.
“They are quite violent on the subject of ethics as you ordinarily expect a criminal to be and are savage about organizations, having stolen money and lists from ours. They are being careful not to attack me publicly in the hopes people will think them noble and inspired. They’re inspired all right – by the ‘buck.’ ”
How does it feel, Marty, to know that LRH saw you coming such a long time ago? – you and every other two-bit snake who thought he could save his own ass by maligning our church and execs and profiting from it. You will, of course, go the way they all have – destroyed by their own machinations, buried in the mire they created.
I don’t think so. Rathbun has just managed to make more noise – thanks to another cowardly turn-coat in search of a buck, Mike Rinder.
Well, of course he’s not making any kind of completions of the sort – which is what I think you were infering with your exclamation marks, but it is important to point out that Marty has no such technology at his disposal. Whatever he is doing to people in his Shack, whatever excuse for a rundown he has quasi remembered and altered and fabricated into “therapy”, one can be quite certain it bears no resemblance to real help.
It sounds like Rathbun just feeds people’s delusions and validates their evil purps and sends them home. I wouldn’t want to be Marty when these people realize they’ve been both damaged and robbed.
OMG! For real?? Marty must have gotten a hold of that guy’s call-in list!
Rathbun has a great justifications for that. Factually, Rathbun as a great justification for everything.
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Hey Marty! You don’t have a Courseroom with or without a Qual!
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“Yeah; I know. COB said that he would have more Ideal Orgs than we can imagine, but I can imagine a lot so I don’t need a courseroom until COB fulfills what I think he said.”
Yet with each passing day, fewer and fewer Scientologists will never have heard of them, and those who may have never consider either their treachery or their absence. Everyone is studying real well with Golden Age everything and the Basics, two huge projects that are doing famously without their help.
If it is stupid, you know that Rathbun has done it or is waiting to do it.
Isn’t that funny. Rathbun is low-level everything, at the end of the day, at the beginning and in the middle.
Well said Ana. This is the point that sticks in my craw – he doesn’t do Scientology, isn’t qualified to do Scientology. He was an admin guy at most…well, you made the point. I needn’t go on.
They are bringing UnEthical closer to absolute.
Excellent quotes. Fits Marty Rathbun to a T.
Interesting how the squirrels try and claim that they are big and how they love to send entheta messages to Church members. LRH could not be more right about them. And Marty Rathbun fits the mold. I am sure if you went through his papers you would find tons of stuff stolen from the Church, illegally copied and distributed, etc.
Just remembered. Rathbun would not think his possessing something that belongs to the Church is stealing. “My hand just picked it up and somehow forgot to put it down on my way out the door.”
Did anyone catch that Mike Rinder has now joined up with the German press to attack Scientology? He gave interviews to the press there and now I see that the Bavarian Minister of the Interior is calling for a ban on Scientology. Of course, this is exactly what Rinder was trying to achieve – a NAZI-like ban on the religion itself. What was completely bizarre is that Rinder was claiming he was pro-Scientology. Of course, he doesn’t live there, so has no idea of the suppression that has existed for German Scientologists. I would not be surprised one bit if it comes out that he is getting paid to do these interviews.
He’s so under the spell of Rathbun it is not funny. But he has been PTS to him for years anyway.
Mike is a cowardly turncoat who would smile as he puts the knife in your back.
Each new heinous overt like this makes it clear that Rinder and Rathbun are only trying to destroy Scientology.
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They can try to rationalize it all they want, and the small minded, deluded, suppressive and moribund may buy their covert claims to the contrary, but the common denominator to all their actions is suppression and destruction of Scientology and what it can do for people.
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Know them for the enemies they are, and don’t be fooled.
It certainly read to me like he’s a full-blown suppressive in his own right, not just PTS to Rathbun.
All clear efforts to destroy, and LRH had them pegged as such.
I never had much of a problem with Rinder because his “smile” is so unconvincing. It’s not part of his nature. He’s always been a very “serious” guy, except when telling degraded 2D jokes.
Fitting of Rathbun – LRH described it in talking about psychotics.
Rinder:
“Where you see a thetan who sleeps too much and does too little, where you see a person who conceives bad doingness on every hand, you see a person who is safeguarding others from the badness of himself or herself.” LRH PL Responsibility
Just so – and I encourage all I meet to do or re-do their PTS/SP course with flakes like Sam Dingo, Rinder, etc, running loose.
I think he’s counting on them being sufficiently squashed that they just go away and stay off all services.
I think he’d go the other way and just invalidate Ideal Orgs. In fact, that’s what he’s done. I notice there’s a lot of effort to invalidate the IAS as well. These are big threats to Rathbun and his SP friends, who go on and on about money, and would cut all the Church’s funds if they could. It drives them crazy that the Church continues to do well, and that’s the real sign that the Church will continue to be there.
I’ll bet that Minister was just looking for something like Rinder and his hallucinations. I notice that SPs seek each other out, and Rathbuns little circle of friends like Caberta is proof of that.
There was an interesting blog posting here about that a while back:
http://martyrathbunblog.com/mark-rathbun/marty-rathbun-turns-his-clients-into-religious-haters/
thats all fine, but don’t make it sound like he can complete a cycle of action!
Rinder and Rathbun are both Type S personalities, they are stuck in “stop.” That’s all you can expect from them, and why their own efforts will fail also. That’s why you won’t see Rathbun succeed in his own squirrelly “auditing” or “training” efforts either.
Apparently there were two people who wrote in some details to this blog about how they were getting repairs years later when they got to NOTS and discovered that Rathbun had run them on NOTS procedures while they were on lower levels (not even Clear.)
There may be more, and almost certainly are. We know he took people out of session and manhandled them to get their “heads on straight” and things like that. One person said he even bent him over and literally kicked him in the butt.
I’m sure Rathbun is acting on his best behavior now, for fear that he couldn’t conceal these kind of things.
Like the article says, you can look at some of Rathbun’s “products” and see the screwed up lives he leaves in his wake. My observation – from the way they natter afterwards tells you that at the best they couldn’t get much out of his auditing because they have yet to be cleaned up, so it’s technically impossible that they would have moved further up the bridge. At worst, you’ve got people drinking a lot, even taking drugs, some blowing any further “auditing” altogether, and squirrely things like people going off to audit themselves on “NOTS” the Marty way without proper training or supervision, etc. That’s all a recipe for disaster case-wise.
I love the way these squirrels all follow a pattern and don’t see it, like they are doing something new instead of just doing what sp’s have always done. I think LRH would yawn when he saw the same old crap all over again. Textbook is right.
rathbun’s squirrelling isn’t even subtle. I read him every once in a while and see that he tries to make himself look like he’s standard and working to use the tech per source, but that is just totally inconsistent with his other actions. you don’t employ standard tech and then go out and make friends with people who seethe with hatred about LRH and Scientology and try to have it banned, etc.
That’s the real point – it is all bull. They are just trying to make themselves look noble like LRH said in the quote. It’s an overall 1.1. ploy, and you have to be a major dip to fall for it.
But then again, look at who Rathbun and Rinder are connected with, and you are going to see one major dip after another. I rest my case with Bunker.
Yes, and that prescience was due to LRH knowing how an SP operates and applying it. You’ll note that elsewhere he says all SPs are squirrels.
something tells me this is one quote that rathbun won’t put up on his website as part of his interpreter-of-the-tech act.
Thanks for the quote. I like the part where LRH points out that some of these squirrels don’t attack him publicly so they will be thought to be noble. That’s Rathbun dead-on right there. He’s been promoting that lie for a while with his left hand while his right hand has been doing everything he can to destroy Scientology for everyone. He wouldn’t fool LRH for a second.
like I said before, I think he’s following a checklist.
That meter is dangerous, plus the way he uses processes like an a la carte menu, no C/Sing or supervision, no training in the first place, his basic intention to harm others.
People aren’t just taking their cases in their own hands, but their lives actually.
Don’t underestimate Rathbun’s ability to do overtly squirrelly things. He considers himself Source, so it’s all on the table for him. He literally thinks that no one understands the tech the way he does.
marty didn’t get his own training in a course room and knows it all anyway, so he can just teach his wife how to use a disability meter, tell her what tr’s are, and declare her a class zero auditor.
there’s somewhere LRH talks about a psychotic saying “my hand did it” no?
Interesting conflict – parasiting off LRH while trying to destroy him.
This is a cool quote, but there’s also the fact that Rathbun is a rockslammer. Think about it.
Rathbun has admitted to many disreputable and despicable acts without the slightest bit of taking responsibility for them. He’s the “sociopath” he’s fond of talking about.
I seriously doubt you’ll ever see Rathbun cave; he probably wouldn’t survive it.
It’s that old “if it’s true, it can’t be natter” justification.
that guy is just going to go off and decide that there isn’t much to that level, so why bother to continue. there’s another rathbun product.
There was a story about one who did much the same but actually used tin foil also.
that’s exactly their kind of guy. rathbun did it with caberta. I say let rinder and rathbun have all the rope they want to hang themselves and their phony stories about caring about Scn.
I think you’re not far off. He probably thinks of them as “successful actions.” After all, he even hooked up with Berry, Caberta, Bunker and every famous hater he could find. Rathbun is truly not a bright man, just a snake-oil salesman who seemingly will do anything to make a buck without having to work.
his long term fate is actually much worse.
The whole squirrel thing, both as the so called ‘independent’ crowd or as the Marty Trash and Burn crowd, is all such a mystery to me. I mean, I understand what LRH says, and I understand how a person can go off the rails due to some failing and the inability to confront it. I can even understand evil and evil intention and all the other Marty crowd things.
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What I don't get is how deep they want to dig themselves and how stupid they want to look while "proving themselves 'right'".
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Dips.
No, sadly, it is all compulsion based by now. Tying his shoes has a melodramatic reason no doubt.
Marty, handling his own case. I can just imagine. Goal for the session? Proving COB wrong. And what do you want to achieve? The power and glory of a god who people will love and respect for my ability to let them exist another day.
Marty has really jumped the shark though, beyond just being an incompetent ass. I bet in his twisted logic that he what he really wants is to prove how good he is so that COB will see the error of his ways and take him back, no questions asked. Yep, that is how nuts that I think Marty is.
Great point.
There are many gangsters in the world who play that game of trying to appear honorable to the little guy, fighting against power. They all do themselves in eventually, sadly having taken a few dupes along for the ride. Marty’s no different. Just like all of them, he’ll eventually first betray those who think he has the magic formula for making their compulsions seem right.
Hard to think of it as fate when he has done the dirty deeds with such horrid intentions himself.
From what I’ve discovered reading this site is that LRH made a lot of comments about the horrors of being Marty; what he would do, what he would say, what he would try to be…and what he can never be.
I have some thoughts about how he can do that faster and more precisely.
Stuck in Stop. I get the image of the Rat and Rind in 2D stuck in a Stop sign like in the Superman movie.
Shhhh. You’re not supposed to tell them what we really think of all their attempts to create an effect.
Much too logical summerwind. You can’t explain a complete illogicality like the Rat and Rind and have any logic involved.
The second before Marty was able to recognize that fact, he would explode. He can’t get close to the truth.
He probably thinks it is a read and an F/N.
Textbook squirrel. Delivery squirrel. Spitting on the marble floor squirrel. Rathbun would be a Rathbun Squirrel if he was ever stable enough to do 1 thing more than random compulsion demands of him.
Ah! The Rathbun Squirrel Tech Checklist – No wonder they are failing after 3 years. No Momentum. No Courseroom. No Qual. Mistaking Natter for PR. What a waste of the Higgs Field.
Ha ha ha!!! I guess an insult is all that Rathbun gets, so yes, he would twist it to be showing how good he is at being completely incompetent – all day, all night, nary an action complete.
Rathbun is too stupid to recognize the irony, but maybe he knows that he has no chance with his stupid crusade of proving himself right and everyone else wrong. Fortunately, he also can’t parasite forever. All the early rah rah of the minions has peeled off into the distance, just as they are physically departing in droves…well, as much as they were ever a drove. All handful of them. Frankly, this was never a fight. They are far too stuck in their individual compulsions. Whatever fight was there is now over.
Yet, even he knows that eventually he will. A couple 10,000 years as a rock, it might take. But, he will have to cave since he is destroying himself from within, as well as any reach he has toward any other dynamics of his so-called life.
Sometimes I feel sorry for the Rathbun and Rinder Rats. They forgot that the game was to help other people, not to become Bigus Dickus. They forgot that the way to help people was to follow policy, not to make it up when they didn’t understand something. So now, here they are, failing at their declared goal on the macro (the Church, contrary to their declared goal, is helping more and more people around the world) while they are able to prove themselves right by screwing up people on the micro…those few people who they entice.
“It’s too very sad that they didn’t avail themselves of basic Dianetics and Scientology when they had the chance. They might not be stuck in this individuated and perverse game.”
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Just goes to show you how true is the ancient aphorism: You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t get the stupid ones to stop pissing in their own water trough when their trying to prove how grand they are.
Yes, and fortunately more and more and more and more and more and more people know what policy is and how to follow it. Door is always held open, sure, even if only a crack – but I am certain that anything that Rathbun does is so far down the ladder than anything that COB deals with. The comparison is so vivid; Rathbun says “What is that” because he can’t imagine what the team has pulled off with the greatest printing center ever.
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There are a thousand examples like that.
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“I never had much of a problem with Rinder because his “smile” is so unconvincing. It’s not part of his nature. He’s always been a very “serious” guy, except when telling degraded 2D jokes.”
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OK, two more things that I didn’t want to know about.
“I notice that SPs seek each other out, and Rathbuns little circle of friends like Caberta is proof of that..”
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Yep
Rope. Rope. Where’s my rope.
“you don’t employ standard tech and then go out and make friends with people who seethe with hatred about LRH and Scientology and try to have it banned, etc.”
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And yet it seemed so normal to the RatSkat group that they embarrassingly tried to promote the absurdity for an absurd amount of time (while everyone of any intelligence sniggered at them for their lunacy.)
“Now that he’s blown far from any ethics oversight, Rathbun would have us believe that his hands are now clean, and his efforts to “salvage” Scientology sincere and pure.”
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And to prove it he connects with every enemy of Scientology he can find.
“I’ve watched other squirrels follow the textbook squirrel script, but Rathbun seems to use it as a guideline of what he does.”
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Evidently that’s one thing he did manage to get “hatted” on.
“He literally thinks that no one understands the tech the way he does.”
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He’s probably right given what his “understanding” of the tech is.
“Marty, handling his own case. I can just imagine.”
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He operates like everyone has his case. That’s why he handles everyone the same.
“I had auditing from him and just was happy to get away.”
Thanks, “no thanks”. Your description of his auditing was just as I had envisioned it. He never duplicated that auditing is for the pc.
I like this one about squirrels like Rathbun:
“As any science which betters people gathers unto itself considerable numbers of people who can dramatize only how bad it is over there, we get a great deal of crank, squirrel, neurotic and psychotic communication flow. We have an incidental communication line, then, which does not at all help the public’s word-of-mouth communication from this entheta line. We call this an entheta line simply because people use Scientology to explain to others how bad it all is over there, how bad auditors are, how bad courses are, how bad Hubbard is, how bad rain is, how bad cats are, how bad the other person is, etc., etc. We even have publications which pretend to be part of Dianetics and Scientology which couldn’t possibly print anything but bad news. That there is not one word of truth in all this news so far detected by the most searching inspection here, that these rumors and perjuries and falsehoods haven’t even the dignity of a background in fact, does not stay their passage.”
L. Ron Hubbard
bulletin 30 August 1954
There are a lot of places where LRH talks about squirrels. We’ve always had them around and I think he was making clear that they are what made earlier efforts to free man or improve him spiritually fail: the squirrelling of their tech.
This is one I think applies well to Rathbun and his alter-is buddies, from HCOPL 20 July 70:
“The reason why squirrel groups fail in the first year or two is the alter-is and abandonment of actual tech plus guilt. Here the cases, if handled at all, get butchered. “
Not really a conflict. They’re both criminal and destructive acts. It’s entirely consistent with Rathbun’s suppressive nature.
That’s a great idea. I actually wrote up some examples from Rathbun and Rinder as part of the drill essays on my PTS/SP course. The mass was right there on Rathbun’s site.
It was probably even less formal than that. You can imagine how Rathbun coached her TRs and metering over dinner.
LRH said: “It’s punishment enough just to be themselves and live with what they are.”
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It looks to me like there’s a whole lot of this coming around now. Rathbun is just left with a smaller circle of people who are falling for his lines, and he just cranks out bad news more and more and it doesn’t get him anywhere. I guess if he’s “making a living” out of attacking, he’ll just continue until he can collect social security anyway.
I love checking in here and seeing great LRH quotes about what an sp and squirrel Rathbun and his creepy buddies are.
I wasn’t familiar with this one, but the part about how Rathbun (appears to) avoid attacking LRH in public is a real find. This shows that he’s not the first to pretend he’s “pro” Source while trying to tear down all that source did and created. It’s a keeper quote.
What I really love about it is that Rathbun doesn’t just try to make himself look “noble.” He tries to come off as a world class, historically important “noble” person.
Juxtapose that with his actions and you have a real walking dichotomy!
He is sincerely trying to push pure suppression.
Partout says: “That should tell you what kind of an aberrated pattern they are actually obeying”
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That should also tell you that they are all just the same old cookie-cutter SP’s, even though they may think they are new and special because now they have the internet.
“Soon they’ll have one another’s throats cut or in jail and that will be that….”
I’ve actually heard about 6 different stories over the years about the actual use of tin foil. Most have to do with combining it with a meter, although there was one guy who used a sheet of it while sitting outdoors to keep others from knowing what he was thinking and doing. True story. The worst part was that he was passing for eminently sane on his day job.
Good point. That tells you that he doesn’t just run squirrel NOTS on others, but on himself, too. No wonder the moron has a hair-trigger psychotic break waiting to snap at any time.
Touché.
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Well, he got his mass somehow…
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Right, as linebacker mentioned, Rathbun is running his case on others.
Worse – I think he made a conscious study. Step one was stealing everything he could get his hands on before he blew. Step two was hooking up with the worst enemies of Scientology he could find, but was never able to handle.
“you don’t employ standard tech and then go out and make friends with people who seethe with hatred about LRH and Scientology and try to have it banned, etc.”
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Right, by their actions the enemy is incapable of standard tech.
LRH said somewhere that if it weren’t us he was criticizing, criticizing, criticizing, it would be someone else. He used the example of the Navy. He might just as easily have been attacking them if he were connected. I’ll try to dig up the reference and post it here.
The TV antenna is a new one. Maybe Marty will opt for a CB radio antenna.
Marty’s all-in now. If he just gives up, he’ll have nothing to show for it. He’s fixed into being part of the cottage industry of attacking the Church. That’s all he’ll ever be, and in the end, “dust.” Yeah, right.
You might actually be on to something there.
Good advise for everyone, especially Rathbun watchers.
Maybe he had help from Logan training her. Now she can argue with the PC over what the PC’s thinking.
Except for when he’s trying to spin the PC off in another direction.
The best part was bringing out Bunker into the open and declaring that he was really a good guy who wasn’t trying to degrade the Tech, destroy LRH, but really wanted to help “save” Scientology.
Rathbun thinks people will believe anything just because he says it.
It’s eerily like a psych routine.
…and SAY anything and think that if he pushes it loud enough and with enough “certainty” people will buy it. Witness his endorsement of the SP Caberta squashing Scientology, Berry suing the Church since he was 9, Bunker still trying to make a living trashing LRH, etc.
I’m thinking that “Soon they’ll have one another’s throats cut or in jail and that will be that….” is a pretty strong prediction. There’s plenty of evidence it’s headed that way.
There are only a few, but I have so little affinity for there actions that I get so confused by these people’s names. So who is Logan? Is she the one who prostituted herself in the auditing room with her PC?
“Just so – and I encourage all I meet to do or re-do their PTS/SP course with flakes like Sam Dingo, Rinder, etc, running loose.”
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Excellent idea!
Help me out here please. I started with the concept of a slapdown involving the 3 mouseketeers, then I went for mouse into rat and making the last into quiters: ratquiters.
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I see some other directions for this to go, but should I stop there?
Very interesting analysis. He’s as bad as he failed, he’s bad because he has been a failure, he’s bad because he is a failure.
Oh yes, I like that a lot. Very funny.
The most odd thing is that no matter how absurd you imagine, our Martyr Marty is only capable of absurdity beyond.
“If he just gives up, he’ll have nothing to show for it.”
I don’t know if he ever had a chance of having something to show for it. But if he did for a minute, he blew up that chance long ago. I am constantly amazed at how incompetent he is.
He is foolish enough to try, and then attempt to talk himself out of it. What does he care if he loses a few more of his minions.
And we’ll be around then to maintain vigilance when he crawls out.
Pure suppression. Pure idiocy. Pure Only One.
Nice spot Sharpe. Marty is in a trap of his own making now. He’ll never get out.
Blend two compulsions and one serfac and guess you can’t avoid by being a Marty.
“People aren’t just taking their cases in their own hands, but their lives actually.”
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It sure looks like everyone who steps through that lintel has already screwed up their lives.
It really does make sense.
Perfectly described, which is no surprise eh?
What do you mean? You can’t prove any of that without someone from Qual being there, and Marty never needs any Qual, so he never has a Qual there. QED. He can’t be a squirrel.
You don’t find their contradictory statements convincing? If only they would tell the truth once they would confuse us to no end.
He won’t make it that far. I am pretty sure that you can’t collect your Social Security from jail.
Right. It is his actions that betray.
See the link on the left under failed cases. He’s a real winner.
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I would only add (from personal experience) that he never met an HCOB he couldn’t argue about.
Correction – he never met an HCOB he couldn’t argue *with*.
I would love to see how Rathbun “helps or handles” his disciples regarding ethics. He has such a non-confront of the subject that it woulod be amusing to see how far he has twisted the truth in this area.